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Why not send all we have to him? He’d blow through that 50% in no time. The Zeepers here and in DC have told me that once the collapse of Ukraine is complete, the Russian Menace will quickly spread to all of Europe. What will protect those American boys fighting the Russians at the gates of Paris, Rome and Brussels this summer if we’ve wasted all of our Patriots on Z?
1 posted on 04/06/2024 4:53:39 PM PDT by hardspunned
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To: hardspunned
Ukraine needs 25 Patriot air defense systems to cover the country

And a herd of ponies.

And a kitten.

2 posted on 04/06/2024 4:56:28 PM PDT by kiryandil (what Ukrainian electrical grid doink?)
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To: hardspunned

How many will end up for sale in Volodymyr’s Rocket Shop?


3 posted on 04/06/2024 4:57:13 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (Nothing says "Democracy" like throwing your opponents in jail.)
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In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Trump wants to give Ukraine a 'loan' — but some of his GOP allies on Capitol Hill worry it would never be paid back, ransomnote wrote:
In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled How the electric war is redrawing the Ukraine……, ransomnote wrote:

Russia's supposed drop in production and sanctions, which not all nations will obey, is NOTHING compared with the complete collapse of the Ukrainian economy, the death and departure (refugee) of their able-bodied workforce, and the destruction of their electrical grid along with anything plugged into it.

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Three Men Charged With Running Hawala Scheme Responsible For Illicitly Moving More Than $65 Million Between The United States And The Middle East, GOPJ wrote:
We are paying to sustain Ukraine’s critical healthcare services, meet its pension responsibilities for 9.8 million people, assist 1.3 million internally displaced persons, provide housing assistance to 4.1 million people, and provide social assistance to 240,000 low-income families and 480,000 persons with disabilities.

We subsidize Ukraine’s small businesses, buy seeds and fertilizer for Ukrainian farmers and fund divers who clear unexploded ammunition from the country’s rivers to make them safe again for swimming and fishing.

Americans pay to secure Ukraine’s borders while millions of welfare seeking barbarians and terrorists flood through ours.

 We're being taken to the cleaners...

According to this OP, an increasing number of cities are becoming unlivable with permanent damage to power generating systems and all the infrastructure, electronics and basics (heat, light and water).

There is no comparison. If the public understood that the United States provides the economy for the Ukraine, more would realize the Ukraine lost the war long ago and they are being propped up as puppets "Save the Ukraine!" when there's no chance of winning.Excerpted:

NATO/Zelensky/Biden are willing to let all of the Ukraine burn and conscript her people (aged 15 to 70, including the disabled) to die in trenches with insufficient weapons. The criminals here are those controlling NATO's elite superpowers and using the Ukrainian citizens as sacrificial chess pieces on a blood-soaked chessboard.

Trump already said the Ukraine is among the most corrupt regions in the world. He knows NATO is controlling the conflict. We know his opinion of NATO. He knows about the Biden Regime money laundering business there, that it's the center of Deep State activity, and that Zelensky is controlled and corrupt. Trump recalls that he asked Zelensky to investigate the Biden mess there, and Zelensky refused. Trump knows about the lack of accountability for the billions we sent. No. Trump doesn't think loaning them money is a good idea.

He's trolling....

4 posted on 04/06/2024 5:00:48 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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The FAB glide bombs are coming for the Z-man.

The Russians have the FAB-500, FAB-1000, FAB-1500 and FAB-3000 guided glide bombs. Those numbers are in kilograms so the FAB-500 has 1100 pounds of high explosive fyi. They have a standoff range of 40 miles and the these bombs leave a big crater wherever they hit. Therefore more inexpensive than a Patriot missile and they’re changing the face of the front and giving the Russians a huge advantage.


5 posted on 04/06/2024 5:03:18 PM PDT by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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To: hardspunned

Russia has conducted around 30,000 strikes on Ukrainian territory in 2024.
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Wait!!! Shouldn’t this read:

“Russia has dug 30,000 holes in Ukrainian territory in 2024 with shovels”?


6 posted on 04/06/2024 5:05:02 PM PDT by janetjanet998 (Legacy media including youtube are the enemy of the people and must die)
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To: hardspunned

I sure don’t mind if Congress and Biden ship any around Washington, D.C. to Ukraine.


8 posted on 04/06/2024 5:07:00 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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I want, I want, I want, I want, I want, I want, I want, I want, I want, I want....

Go beg someplace else loser.

10 posted on 04/06/2024 5:11:41 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: hardspunned

I’m starting to think that Zelensky is BEING PAID by either Putin or She to clean out the West of their weapons, so that they could then rule the planet unchallenged.


11 posted on 04/06/2024 5:12:53 PM PDT by BobL (A society built on MERIT cannot survive on DEI (ref. South Africa, and now USA))
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Total Patriot individual missile production is 550 PER YEAR !

Which they are raising to 650. That’s almost two missiles per day !

https://www.defensenews.com/land/2023/12/13/ukraine-mideast-conflicts-place-renewed-pressure-on-patriot-units/

This is a joke. The USA MIC is hopeless, and incapable of supplying for a sustained war.


12 posted on 04/06/2024 5:13:08 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: hardspunned

I think the lead time for Patriots is 5 to 7 years (as Taiwan is now learning the hard way), so Zelensky is more than welcome to take his place, in line.


14 posted on 04/06/2024 5:16:47 PM PDT by BobL (A society built on MERIT cannot survive on DEI (ref. South Africa, and now USA))
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Dam, I should have bought that Raytheon stock.


15 posted on 04/06/2024 5:32:18 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: hardspunned
Sure, here you go


18 posted on 04/06/2024 5:38:22 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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Give them a truckload of Empty Glass bottles and Bottle Rockets.


19 posted on 04/06/2024 5:41:19 PM PDT by tennmountainman ( (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023 DITTO)
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To: hardspunned
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot

Domestic cost: About US$1.09 billion (FY 2022) for a battery; US$4 million for a single PAC-3 MSE missile

Export cost: About US$2.37–2.5 billion for a battery; US$6–10 million (FY 2018) for a single missile

They seem to be effective shooting $8 million worth of missiles at a drone. That is effective for Ukraine because it is all free. It's effective until there are no missiles and the Russians drop FAB glide bombs on their head.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12297

Congressional Research Service Report

Updated January 18, 2023

PATRIOT Air and Missile Defense System for Ukraine

PATRIOT System Costs

Official PATRIOT system cost figures are not publicly available. According to a December 16, 2022, Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) article, “Patriot to Ukraine: What Does it Mean?,” a newly produced PATRIOT battery costs about $1.1 billion, including about $400 million for the system and about $690 million for the missiles. CSIS further suggests future U.S. PATRIOT battalions (U.S. PATRIOT battalions consist of four PATRIOT batteries) could cost up to $1.27 billion dollars apiece without missiles. PATRIOT interceptors are estimated to cost about $4 million per missile.

[...]

Considerations for Congress

Oversight questions Congress could consider include the following:


21 posted on 04/06/2024 6:23:02 PM PDT by woodpusher
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The US has @500 Patriot launchers in reserve.


23 posted on 04/06/2024 7:09:33 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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FO, piano balls


27 posted on 04/06/2024 7:49:52 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist! )
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Drop dead, Pukie-Ukies!


34 posted on 04/06/2024 8:43:52 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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Sorry, fresh out.

I read just this last week that the chicoms, relying on robotics, are making 1,000 cruise missiles a month. Meanwhile, back in the late great usa we build 400 to 500 a year by hand. I wonder if this is true?

Maybe z should tap the chicoms?

37 posted on 04/06/2024 9:30:58 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance)
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Hey Z, how about we send you 25 Swiss army knives. With sheaths. Wouldn’t want you to hurt yourself.


39 posted on 04/06/2024 10:13:16 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Islam is an ideology. It is NOT a religion.)
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