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Zelenskyy straight-up said Ukraine is going to lose if Congress doesn't send more aid
MSN - Business Insider ^ | April 8, 2024 | Mia Jankowicz - Agence France-Presse

Posted on 04/08/2024 12:06:38 PM PDT by Navy Patriot

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To: Does so

LOL! Yeah, sure! Proof?


81 posted on 04/09/2024 9:12:05 AM PDT by ANKE69 ("Russians aren't people" proudly posted by MeganC)
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To: Navy Patriot

“flyover country” is the one the UniParty Media organs will be blaming when the Ukraine finally goes down


82 posted on 04/09/2024 9:16:49 AM PDT by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you don't understand, no explanation is possible)
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To: Navy Patriot

83 posted on 04/09/2024 9:20:22 AM PDT by Allegra (Less propaganda would be appreciated.)
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To: Zhang Fei
The entire point of funding Ukraine is so we don’t end up fighting the Russian empire directly.

The U.S. doesn’t have the money to fund Ukraine.

Let Soros and the euroweenies do it.

84 posted on 04/09/2024 9:25:54 AM PDT by Allegra (Less propaganda would be appreciated.)
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To: Allegra

If Russia actually had any interest in invading Ukraine, they would have come down from the North and possibly Belarus.

RUSSIA HAS ONLY WAGED THIS WAR FROM THE CONTESTED 4-REGIONS AND CRIMERIA.

The only reason America is fighting the Russian Empire is because the American Empire has encroached upon Russian Interests, repeatedly after 32 years of warnings.

NATOs collective attempt to contain Russia in every matter of world interaction is the state of this war. Can the US compete with Russia if both turned on the oil, or NG? NATO’s constant requirements for low cost imports to sustain its “social democracy” has turned it into an offensive colonial surfdom model - for those peoples they rob (trade with thru Coup leaders).

All the GDP in the West that was over Dead Zero Percent, was achieved through corporations like Blackrock, who bought up Ukraine’s State Resorces directly from the Leadership installed in the 2012 Coup. These Nuland Uke’s sold out their country for pennies on the dollar.

One large part of Blackrock getting the first EFT for Bitcoin is because of their busted balance sheet in Ukraine. The loss to Britian, France, and every other country who did a LEND-LEASE-LOAN Program with Ukraine was that they would own the Ports, the Mines, the Civilian Infranstructure and the NATO countries would provide a continuous export of military hardware to yet another ‘OWNED AND BOUGHT BY NATO MEMBER’ under NATO’s protection.

NATO turned a period of economic downturn into a Defense Contractor heyday of profits and corruption from Biden down.

We are funding Ukraine because we STOLE IT FROM UKRAINE just like the First European’s Bought Up Rhode Island from the Indians.... We came with the desire to own everything of value in Ukraine, and the opportunity to use NATO, Banks, and Wars to enrich individuals in the Offices of Nation’s involved.

We are Funding Ukraine because we are trying to hold onto the property that rightfully belongs to Ukraine, but was literally given away by Zelinski to fight his war.

American corporations backed by the DOS raped Ukraine after the Coup for anything that could be made valuable. We forced them to fight so there is no people who are around to claim the spoils of war after Zelinski is gone.

Russia is going to take all the British Port real estate, all those Blackrock investments, and all the USG got was we REARMED THE PENTAGON WITHOUT A FULL BUDGET - selling old stuff to “an ally” who is fighting today’s war with yesterday’s generation of military equipment.

If you Ukraine Idiots had any brains at all, you would demand the brand new equipment rolling off the production lines to fight Russia with, rather than ths scam of 40-year ago introduced equipment.

Everything is for money. Except the arrogance of the Democrats who can justify sending old worn out equipment to Ukraine instead of new equipment being producted for the US Army.


85 posted on 04/09/2024 9:43:39 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: linMcHlp

It took 25 months to overcome the layered defense NATO spent 8-10 years to emplace. Had the war with Russia which NATO planned for lasted a year or less, NATO could have won that war. However, Russia has now grown from 377K active forces worldwide against Ukraine’s 1.2m under arms to 1.1m against Ukraine’s (ZELINSKI PROVIDES THE NUMBER). Accroding to Ukraine they still have 1.2m under arms plus the 600k they have added since the war began.

Now that the layered defense is gone, we will see how long it is before France’s 2000 soldiers are gone.


86 posted on 04/09/2024 9:47:18 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: Jumper
If you Ukraine Idiots had any brains at all…

Where the hell are you getting that I’m a “Ukraine idiot?” I have opposed my country’s feeding our tax dollars to this money-laundering scheme from the get-go. The “Ukraine idiots” on FR despise me for it.

I’m getting the impression that you’re not very smart. And lose the ALLCAPS, pal. That’s a RevMom thing and I’m not impressed.

87 posted on 04/09/2024 9:57:36 AM PDT by Allegra (Less propaganda would be appreciated.)
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To: Allegra

That was a general comment for the Zeepers. Imagine if Ukraine were so important that instead of giving them $$ amounts that Ukraine should get the brand new production equipment destined for NATO Armies. Instead we use an accounting trick to pawn off old gear at top dollar prices and replace it with brand new equipment.

America’s greed in rearming the Pentagon without dumping the old gear has cost Ukraine this war. This war is simply just another money scam of bundled money scams. Biden gets his, and the Coup installed leaders get their’s. Blackrock and the Brit’s get their’s. But they have to hold it, thus they introduce missiles or bombs with longer range as the Russian noose tightens.

All that greed to steal Ukraine’s resources from her people by installation of Fire Sale leadership after the coup, then the third country sales of military equipment - if the aim was to beat Russia that was at the bottom of the list - when the West allows those in leadership positions to profit off of bloodshed, the war because about profits to the individuals who need to tried and hanged for crimes against humanity.

Not You specifically. Sorry.


88 posted on 04/09/2024 10:06:55 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: EnderWiggin1970
Actually Ukraine will win, in the sense that the carnage will stop, peace will come and better relations with its major neighbor.

Better relations? Huh? If your neighbor annexed half your backyard, would you start inviting him over to the BBQ?
89 posted on 04/09/2024 10:31:01 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: Jumper

Oh, OK. Sorry I misunderstood. I thought I was being mistaken for a zeeper and that’s enough to make my skin crawl.


90 posted on 04/09/2024 10:37:01 AM PDT by Allegra (Less propaganda would be appreciated.)
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To: ansel12; elpadre

***What mansion does he own in Britain?***

That story was a lie. It was Kremlin propaganda.

Please tell me Americans aren’t making their decisions about the Russo-Ukrainian war based on Putin’s propaganda.


91 posted on 04/09/2024 10:47:13 AM PDT by David Hunter
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To: kabar

***They will lose with or without the aid.***

Turns out it’s better to have Iran and North Korea for allies in a war than the USA and western Europe. In the last year NK has delivered 2 million 152mm shells to Russia, while Europe has sent only 300,000 155mm shells to Ukraine.

Just as the UK announced new sanctions, the news came out that Iran has now sent 400 ballistic missiles to Russia. Those missiles can pinpoint targets 435 miles away showing an increasing military cooperation between these two heavily sanctioned countries.

Meanwhile, the Ukraine’s $60 billion munitions package promised by the USA over 7 months ago is still no closer to being approved.

***The Ukrainian people are tired of being cannon fodder in a proxy war.***

That’s Kremlin propaganda. Russia INVADED Ukraine because they wanted their territory. Russia = Bad guys. Ukraine = Good guys.

Why is Putin putting the blame for the Crocus Concert attack on to Ukraine when ISIS have already claimed responsibility for it? You cannot trust Putin as far as you can throw him!


92 posted on 04/09/2024 11:02:14 AM PDT by David Hunter
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To: ANKE69

Prigozhin funded the Wagner group, all mercenaries.


93 posted on 04/09/2024 2:29:58 PM PDT by Does so ( 🇺🇦....We are in the later stages of a Communist takeover...)
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To: ANKE69; Does so

“””” Russia didn’t beg for foreign volunteers to fight in the Ukrainian war.”””””

They absolutely do, along with mercenaries and Africans they will give you citizenship.

“Mr. Putin first accelerated the citizenship process for foreigners who joined the fighting in September 2022”

“The Kremlin then further streamlined the process in May last year, removing a requirement that foreigners take part in armed combat for at least six months before seeking citizenship.”

To Bolster Russia’s Army, Putin Eases Citizenship Path for Foreign Fighters
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/05/world/europe/putin-russia-army-foreigners-citizenship.html


94 posted on 04/09/2024 4:18:19 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: David Hunter

This is not just an Israeli conundrum. The fighting in Gaza, despite its unique characteristics, is merely the latest illustration of the dizzying pace of ammunition consumption in modern warfare. This is certainly true of the asymmetric fight against terrorist armies: in 2016, the US is estimated to have dropped more than 24,000 bombs on Syria and Iraq as part of the campaign against ISIS. Yet conventional ground warfare has become an ammunition sinkhole as well. The Russia-Ukraine war is the most prominent example. Less than a year into Putin’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the Russians were forced to open 40-year-old ammunition depots and turn to Iran and North Korea for help to maintain the furious pace of artillery and rocket fire.

The Ukrainians, by contrast, were heavily reliant from the start on the supply of weapons from the West, especially the United States. Some numbers by way of illustration: so far, the US has supplied Ukraine with more than 2 million 155 mm artillery shells, 1.8 million 25 mm rounds, and 400 million rifle rounds and grenades. This comes in addition to advanced weapons systems, such as long-range rockets and anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles, which are all vital to repelling the Russian army.

At this time, all eyes in Kyiv (and indeed in Jerusalem) are on Washington, where a political stalemate in Congress has held up the decision on a desperately needed $60 billion aid package for months. Yet even absent political constraints, the most generous American policy imaginable would fall short of providing all of Ukraine’s needs. In December 2022, Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines revealed that Ukraine consumed five years of production of Javelin anti-aircraft missiles in the first 10 months of the war.

Nor is the gap between supply and demand limited to advanced weaponry. Artillery is a prime example. In the spring of 2023, the Ukrainian army’s rate of consumption of 155 mm shells stood at 6,000 to 8,000 per day, whereas American production output was about 15,000 per month. Since then, the US has ramped up production significantly, but even so, it is not expected to exceed 100,000 shells per month by October 2024. As it turns out, the artillery forces of the United States and its allies are almost completely dependent on the output of a single factory in Scranton, Pennsylvania.

These constraints explain why, in January 2023, the administration asked Israel to transfer 300,000 artillery shells from American stockpiles located in Israel to Ukraine. Of course, Israel herself now needs those stocks. Not to mention Tamir interceptors for Iron Dome, which are also manufactured in small quantities in the US, bombs, and spare parts for aircraft, tank shells, and so on. One does not need a security clearance to conclude that Israel’s military dependence on the United States is nearly absolute.


95 posted on 04/09/2024 6:13:25 PM PDT by kabar
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To: silverleaf

“Over 3 million have received Russian passports.”

“Russians” were moved to Ukraine by “Mother Russia” in order to control eastern Ukraine—including Crimea. Khruschev moved the borders east as a gift to Ukraine in the 1950s. Russia now sees her errors.

“Receiving Russian passports” isn’t the same as REQUESTING Russian passports..


96 posted on 04/10/2024 12:26:39 AM PDT by Does so ( 🇺🇦....We are in the later stages of a Communist takeover...)
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To: LeonardFMason

“Tell me exactly why” you don’t want our fellow Americans and likely Trump voters having good jobs supplying Europe with energy. “Tell me exactly why” you want those jobs in Russia instead.

The only thing “bankrupt” and brain dead here is America Last populist rhetoric. The facts are all at hand. Ignore them if you wish.


97 posted on 04/10/2024 1:04:16 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

Brain dead?

Biden has killed domestic energy production. But an endless war costing hundreds of billions of dollars is just what the American worker needs.

Have you stopped sniffing glue yet?


98 posted on 04/11/2024 7:00:15 AM PDT by LeonardFMason
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