[FrankRizzo890]

But how does the MIC make money from this? THAT’s the problem.

[Jonty30]

Not having a war was never going to be the option.

[Responsibility2nd]

.... guarantor countries (🇨🇳🇺🇸🇫🇷🇬🇧🇹🇷) obliged to intervene within 3 days if Russia invades.....

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Yeah well. That Document should have been scrapped.

[forYourChildrenVote4Bush]

Sorry to say
But the USA wants war
They want constant wars to feed their war industry
They don’t want a winner. They just want wars
They will do the same with Taiwan
They will push for war between Taiwan and China. They will supply weopons to Taiwan then let Taiwan hang
Same thing USA doing to Israel , they won’t let Israel win. Never ending war the USA wants
Same thing in Ukraine, never ending war
Sometimes I have second thoughts about USA foreign policy.

[marktwain]

In other words, surrender to Russia, with no real guarantee they will not break their promise to not invade, again, only now Ukraine would be completely helpless before them.

Not much in the way of negotiations.

[McGruff]

Ironically this will be close to the final end to this war. After so much destruction and loss of life years later.

[moovova]

And the FR Ukie sick-duckers pretend like the Russkies are the only bad guys in this debacle.

[Negan]

Just because Donbas has ethnic Russians doesn’t mean squat. South Texas is full of ethnic Mexican-Americans. Should we cede the border counties to Mexico? Same with Crimea.

Take away the argument about the USA funding all of this, but I’m so sick of the pro-Putinista’s that hijack these threads. It almost makes me think of Russian troll farms.

[Petrosius]

See https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/talks-could-have-ended-war-ukraine to learn why there was no agreement and why is was not US/UK pressure that killed it. The idea that there was an agreement that was only prevented by US/UK pressure is pure myth and Russian propaganda.

[Brilliant]

What a bunch of BS. Remember that Biden offered Zelenskky a plane so that he could flee like the Afghan leader did, and Zelenskky turned it down.

[MinorityRepublican]

The thing is that if the war had ended in April 2022, Putin gets to keep Crimea and the Donbass, Ukraine will immediately get peacekeepers from NATO countries. So I think the ceasefire was not possible at the time.

[logi_cal869]

...Zelensky scrapped it under UK/US orders...

Oh, BS.

He had other motivation(s); wake me when the facts are leaked.

[Wuli]

This same tripe repeated again and again, as if just continuing to repeat it makes it so.