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To: the_doc cc: RnMomof7, jude24, fortheDeclaration, drot, Calvinists
I am glad you are moving away from RnMom and beginning to focus on others. That is good news for her, but the others need to be forewarned that you will very soon be every bit as nasty with them.

You have been quite predatory with RnMom. (I refer to On the Trinity post #4, #21, #67, #130, 184, etc., and that is just on the previous thread.) You are demanding complete control over her mind in religious matters, with the alternative being eternity in hell if she refuses. This goes far beyond "contending earnestly for the faith", far beyond the "foolishness of preaching", and far beyond trying to win souls to Christ, far into forbidden territory.

You call her a heretic, a false teacher. That is a dime-a-dozen everyday accusation around here from your fellow Calvinists, but buried in the midst of your long, malevolent posts it appears to carry a much heavier connotation. It wasn't so many centuries ago that evil men were burning at the stake those they charged with heresy, trying to enforce their orthodoxy through terror. Thankfully no one can use such means in this free country, so long as our freedoms are protected from abusive government and illegal individual acts, but you are nonetheless earnestly trying to enforce your orthodoxy, hoping to make God -- or rather the idolatrous god of the Calvinists, and the prospect of eternity in hell, your enforcer.

The other Calvinists posting here need to have enough discernment to know the difference between the preaching of the Gospel and predatory mind-control behavior. What is mind-control over the Internet if not this? They need to think about the need to discipline their leader when he gets way out of line. The Democrats needed to discipline their leader -- remove him from office -- and wouldn't.

Sometimes it is the medical professionals, the caregivers, who are the last to realize that they are in need of professional help.

Please, doc, do your best to convince RnMom, and the others, to their satisfaction, that you are not in the mind-control business. You can start by letting others know that they can disagree with you without accusations, attacks, and heavy warnings of eternal damnation. As you exhort all to come to Christ, tell the truth about those who already have, and acknowledge their devotion and commitment in faith to Him, even though you disagree with them on matters of doctrine.

Your #30: the majority of the professed followers of Jehovah were no more regenerate than my dog

You mean dogs don't go to heaven? :-)

30 I will greatly praise the LORD with my mouth; yea, I will praise him among the multitude.
31 For he shall stand at the right hand of the poor, to save him from those that condemn his soul. (Psalm 109:30-31)

34 posted on 09/06/2001 2:07:25 PM PDT by White Mountain
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To: White Mountain, the_doc
WM, you are a Mormon, sir!

Absolutely, no truly discerning Christian, will put any spiritual stock, so to speak, in anything that you say about the Bible or spiritual matters.

I am not trying to be unfriendly with you, but you had better repent of your idolatrous religion! In fact, we(Christians) tell you that because like the Apostle, we are debtors, not because we desire to be unfriendly.

The least you could do is to quit parading yourself as a Christian. You are not! Mormonism is an altogether different religion.

I am aware of Satan's devices, though!

Historical Christianity, as has been defined for 2,000 yrs, authoritatively by Scripture, (and yes, Creeds and Confessions, as representations of what Scripture teaches, to keep the wolves out), is the completion of Judaism....... the fulfillment of long awaited promises by GOD, even from the beginning (Gen 3:15). Therefore, Christianity is not some kind of new "religion."

Mormonism, defined by Christian standards, is a bona fide cult.

38 posted on 09/06/2001 2:41:39 PM PDT by spudgin
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To: White Mountain
You mean dogs don't go to heaven? :-)

You miss the point. Mean dogs like you don't go to heaven.

43 posted on 09/06/2001 2:56:07 PM PDT by the_doc
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To: White Mountain
I will greatly praise the LORD with my mouth; yea, I will praise him among the multitude.

The problem for you WM is that in your current mormon situation, you will glorify Him by not praising Him. You see, you will only praise that which is foremost in your affections; and that for you is yourself. You are busy listening to the following lie: I will be like the most High. You need to stop this. It will be Eternally fatal unless your heart is changed. Repent and taste the joy in my Christ.

47 posted on 09/06/2001 3:19:52 PM PDT by CCWoody
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To: White Mountain
Please, doc, do your best to convince RnMom, and the others, to their satisfaction, that you are not in the mind-control business. You can start by letting others know that they can disagree with you without accusations, attacks, and heavy warnings of eternal damnation. As you exhort all to come to Christ, tell the truth about those who already have, and acknowledge their devotion and commitment in faith to Him, even though you disagree with them on matters of doctrine

I've got a better idea. I will tell them the Truth from God's Word. And the Truth is, there are more wide-doorway pseudo-conversions than there are genuine (narrow-doorway) conversions.

Now, the very fact that there are pseudo-conversions tells us that there are unregenerate folks who will receive some Bible truths at some level in their deceitful and desperately/unknowably wicked hearts . (The Reformers noticed this over and over in Roman Catholicism.)

Next, notice that when we put this interesting fact alongside the fact that the pseudo-conversions do outnumber the genuine conversions, the evidential value of a person's testimony and smattering of Bible knowledge can be essentially neutralized by the display of lying spirit.

So, tell me again why I should be unwilling to warn doctrinal liars?

***

I can understand why non-Christians such as yourself don't like sermonic material on the wrath of God. And I can understand that you "burning bosom" folks can't stand serious discussions about Satanic counterfeiting.

And as I see it, the fact that you are the one who runs to give them your stinky balm of reassurance by attacking me is not a good sign for them.

48 posted on 09/06/2001 3:30:12 PM PDT by the_doc
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