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" We Were Soldiers" IA DRANG Battle in Viet Nam
Icon Productions and the book ", We Were Soldiers Once.. and Young" | Lt. Col. Hal Moore

Posted on 09/07/2001 12:51:59 AM PDT by Snow Bunny

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To: Iris7
Thank you for your response. Beautiful.
81 posted on 09/07/2001 8:38:06 AM PDT by Snow Bunny
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To: RaceBannon
Yes my friend, a BIG bump for the brave men and for those that came home and for those that still need to come home. Thank you .
82 posted on 09/07/2001 8:42:26 AM PDT by Snow Bunny
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To: Ron C.
Oops. Here's the exact link: We Were Soldiers Picture to Excite , complete with commentary from people who insist that prop planes were never used in Vietnam.
83 posted on 09/07/2001 8:42:44 AM PDT by denydenydeny
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To: ofMagog
Thank you ofMagog so much. And thank you for your kindness to me.
84 posted on 09/07/2001 8:46:39 AM PDT by Snow Bunny
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To: Godebert
My fingers are crossed and I am hoping and praying this film will show the Jane Fonda's of this world how wrong they were and are, that they will see how wonderfully brave those that served America truly were and are .

Thank you for your post and thoughts about it. Let's hope it will all come together and be the important film it should be to honor those men and those that wrote the book. Thanks again.

85 posted on 09/07/2001 8:52:15 AM PDT by Snow Bunny
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To: glocker
Yes I agree. ALL veterans are heroes and what saddened and outraged me so much about the Viet Nam war was how the men and women were treated when they came home. They should have been hugged, thanked and big parades for them.

Thank you so much for your post.

86 posted on 09/07/2001 8:56:18 AM PDT by Snow Bunny
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To: Snow Bunny
Here'a a LINK to a Free Republic thread with a reprint of the 1967 Saturday Evening Post Story (by Jack Smith) on Ia Drang.
87 posted on 09/07/2001 8:58:21 AM PDT by BansheeBill
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To: Snow Bunny
As always, thank you SnowBunny for the ping and even more thanks for the great presentation you did on this thread.
88 posted on 09/07/2001 9:01:21 AM PDT by Cagey
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To: borisbob69
Thank you for serving this nation and a Welcome Home to you. Good song too .
89 posted on 09/07/2001 9:09:25 AM PDT by Snow Bunny
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To: prognostigaator
Yes I agree. Each and every Vet is a hero to me. Each one made it possible for others to do what they had to do . Each one helped in so many ways.

I thank you so much for your post.

90 posted on 09/07/2001 9:13:47 AM PDT by Snow Bunny
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To: Snow Bunny
Thanks for the ping. I loved the opening quote "War is an ugly thing ....." It looks like a book I'm going to have to find.
91 posted on 09/07/2001 9:14:24 AM PDT by The Thin Man
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To: Valin
I know what you mean.When I go to VA hospitals now just to visit and sit and listen quietly, I keep hearing one thing in my head....." They left as boys and in one moment in the blink of an eye had to become men and face things no young boy should ever have to face.".
That is why I am so grateful for those that have served this land. They did not dodge the draft like others, they were all so very brave.

Thank you for your post and Welcome Home.

92 posted on 09/07/2001 9:20:29 AM PDT by Snow Bunny
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To: wita
Thank you for responding . Welcome Home.
93 posted on 09/07/2001 9:23:35 AM PDT by Snow Bunny
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To: Snow Bunny
Thanks!!!!

Can't wait to see the movie.

ALOHA RONNIE!!!!!

redrock

94 posted on 09/07/2001 9:29:18 AM PDT by redrock
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To: Snow Bunny
Thanks for the support and nice words....been long time in coming.....Not required, but none the less appreciated.. Welcome Home to all my brothers... Co D 4/21st 11th LIB grunt-Duc Pho & 71st A.H.C. doorgunner-Chu Lai '68-'69
95 posted on 09/07/2001 9:29:20 AM PDT by Thousand Yard Stare
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To: Landru
Thank you my friend. Mr. Snow Bunny said those shots hurt like....@#$%^&*( and he had them in both elbows and both knees. He said he feels the pain along with you but is so glad you had it checked out. He said he would hate for you to have an elbow like his right one is. He would not wish that on anyone except Clinton.

I am going to answer my mail after I answer the pings on here. This is only my second thread and it took me about 11 hours to gather all this together to post. LOL
I am not a pro computer person yet. ha ha ha

96 posted on 09/07/2001 9:30:37 AM PDT by Snow Bunny
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To: Mudboy Slim
Thanks for responding. Yes, we are also looking forward to seeing "The Lord of the Rings" . I have all the books and also the audio tapes of it. Thanks again my friend.
97 posted on 09/07/2001 9:35:18 AM PDT by Snow Bunny
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To: Snow Bunny
Good post. I,too, salute our veterans although I never got to sing for them!
98 posted on 09/07/2001 9:37:39 AM PDT by The Right Stuff
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To: Snow Bunny
Thank you for this thread, Ms. Bunny, and your tribute to our brave vets. Hollywood's version of Vietnam has really done a disservice to our Vets, most of whom knew that fighting Communism was a worthy goal, did not become drug addicts, homeless, or angry at our government as a result of their service.

Stolen Valor: Shattering the Myths of Vietnam ; Exclusive to NewsMax.com! Excerpts from: Stolen Valor: How the Vietnam Generation Was Robbed of its Heroes and its History by B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley.

Will the Real Vietnam Vet Please Stand Up-

Myth: The war in Vietnam was fought by teenagers barely old enough to shave, while World War II was fought by men.

Reality: The average age of men killed in Vietnam was 22.8 years, or almost 23 years old. While the average age of those killed was 22.8....More 52-year-olds (22) died in Vietnam than youths of 17 (12).

Myth: The war was fought predominantly by draftees.

Reality: About one-third of Vietnam-era veterans entered the military through the draft, far lower than the 67 percent drafted in World War II. And once drafted, many men volunteered for the Marines, the Airborne, Special Forces, or other duty likely to send them to Vietnam.

Myth: It was a class war, with the poor and lower middle class those who suffered the brunt of it. The best and the brightest didn't go.

Reality: The force that fought in Vietnam was America's best educated and most egalitarian in the country's history....In World War II, only 45 percent of the troops had a high school diploma.... Proportionately three times as many college graduates served in Vietnam than in World War II.... 30 percent of the KIAs came from the lowest third of the income range; but 26 percent of the combat deaths came from families earning in the highest third. This result was startling -- and far from the expectation that wealthier Americans were sheltered from the war.

Myth: The war took the highest toll on minorities.

Reality: About 5 percent of those who died were Hispanic and 12.5 percent were black -- making both minorities slightly under-represented in relation to their proportion of draft-age males in the national population.

Myth: The soldier in Vietnam smoked pot and shot up with heroin to dull the horrors of combat.

Reality: In 1967, the drug use rate of .25 per 1,000 troops in Vietnam was lower than the Army-wide rate of .30 per 1,000 troops. Except for the last couple of years of the war, drug usage among American troops in Vietnam was lower than for American troops stationed anywhere else in the world, including the United States. Even when the drug use started to rise in 1971 and 1972, almost 90 percent of the men who had ever served in Vietnam had already come and gone. America had virtually thrown in the towel; idleness and the declining troop morale led to escalating drug use that reached crisis proportions.

A study after the war by the VA showed drug usage of veterans and non-veterans of the Vietnam age group was about the same. Another study, the "Vietnam-Era Research Project," concluded that drug use was more common among non-veterans than Vietnam-era veterans.

Myth: American soldiers deserted rather than fight the "immoral" war.

Reality: In World War II, the Army's overall desertion rate during that war was 55 percent higher than during Vietnam. Of those troops who deserted during the Vietnam era, only five percent did so while attached to units in Vietnam. Only 24 deserters attributed their action to the desire to "avoid hazardous duty." Of AWOLs, only 10 percent were related to opposition to the war.

Myth: Vietnam vets have high rates of incarceration.

Reality: A 1981 VA study concluded that 25 percent of those in combat during the war had ended up in prison. In the mid-1980s VietNow, one of the first Vietnam veterans' organizations to receive a VA grant for delayed stress counseling, put out a pamphlet claiming that over 70,000 Vietnam vets were behind bars, while over 200,000 were on probation, parole, or out on bail. The more mainstream Vietnam Veterans of America has claimed that 5 to 12 percent of the prison population at any given time are Vietnam vets, with up to 300,000 in the criminal justice system.

All this information is based on self-reporting by prisoners. But in every major study of Vietnam veterans where the military records were pulled from the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis and the veterans then located for interviews, an insignificant number have been found in prisons.

Myth: Substantial numbers of Vietnam veterans are unemployed.

Reality: In every category for which I could find statistics, Vietnam veterans were as successful or more successful than men their age who did not go to Vietnam. .... A Vietnam veteran was more likely to have gone to college than a man of his age not in the service; nearly 30 percent of Vietnam vets had some college education, versus 24 percent of the U.S. population. ..... In 1985 ...Seventy-eight percent were homeowners, paying mortgages on traditional, single-family homes -- and more likely to own a home than their peers who did not go to Vietnam. Eight of every 10 surveyed were married and 90 percent had children.

Strikingly, the Washington Post survey indicated that, despite the negative attitudes of the public, Vietnam veterans had positive feelings about their experience:

- Seventy-four percent said they "enjoyed their time in service."
- Eighty percent disagreed with the statement "the United States took unfair advantage of me."
- Fifty-six percent of Vietnam veterans said they benefited in the long run by going to Vietnam. Only 29 percent said they were set back.
- Ninety-one percent of those who served in Vietnam were "glad they served their country."

99 posted on 09/07/2001 9:38:27 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Ron C.
Yes, the left sure hated The Patriot. The Academy snubbed Gibson with that one. But Gibson truly wants to do movies like The Patriot and this one so I hope he ignore the horrible left and just does what he wants to do.

I truly hope this movie will be right on target and show the bravery of these fine men.The Book was the best .

Thank you for responding.

100 posted on 09/07/2001 9:40:38 AM PDT by Snow Bunny
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