Bottom line... we lose our liberties..
It is either revenge for bombing "aspirin factories" or, more probably, for not seeming to provide the Palestenians with sufficient support vis-a-vis Israel.
One thing that will make a huge difference in how people feel is how President Bush takes action. The more decisive his actions, the more the people will be reassured. And make no mistake, we're talking a massive action. That's for another thread.
When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, we sacrificed many liberties to the cause of national survival and defeat of the Axis powers. The country survived that and the honor of those who lost their lives was maintained.
We need to do whatever it takes to see that this never happens again in this country. If that means nuking somebody, so be it.
I don't know who 'did the crime'.
When they are uncovered...they will pay.
But...I do agree with you that we must be on guard.
Because there ARE those in politics who wish to limit our Freedoms.
And who will use this as an excuse to do so.
redrock
Excuse me. I don't mean to be rude and I am sure your intentions are honorable; but, what in the hell are you apologizing for???!!!!
Let's express our sorrow for the the death of innocent victims and their families. But you have nothing, NOTHING to apologize for, right?
We must distinguish between civil liberties once any national plan once war is declared (and it will be), and civil liberties normalizing after that war is in effect, and then the full restoration of civil liberties once the war is ended.
Our president must be the commander-in-chief during the war effort. He must make responsible security decisions for the nation. He must NOT reveal any movement of troops and any counter-attacks against the enemy.
To the extent that secrecy is necessary for these acts, our civil liberties, will, and of a right ought to be, curtailed.
ABC news should NOT be allowed to report on US troop movements.
I believe these are all very important questions to begin to consider on this Black Tuesday.
Agreed. Right now is a time of diligence.
After a very hectic and disturbing morning and a 12 hour shift at work, I am finally home with my family.
I have gone back and reread this thread and have come to the conclusion that an apology is necessary.
My original post was this: "Thousands of people have just died, because you wanted a little liberty."
That was a poorly written, and I send my apologies, but I believed, and still do, that this was the last thing we need to worry about this morning. The death toll will be in the thousands, and the last thing, we as a Nation, need to be arguing about is, what liberties or freedoms may be temporally be suspended while the clean up and investigation go on.
This nation is the strong, and will survive this.
Aerial said "Thousands of people have died to maintain our liberty."
Those innocent victims did no die for our liberty. If this had been a strike against our Military, then yes, that statement would be true, but these were innocent civilians at work, or just enjoying themselves. They had no idea what would happen today. In the Military, you are expected to lay down your life in the defense of this country, but not as a civilian.
cc2k said "I'd much rather be on a flight where many of the passengers are armed, than on a flight where one armed hijacker could take over and re-route the plane."
If everyone was armed on these flights, we would still have 226 dead people. A single bullet can bring down a airliner, image the OK corral inside a 767. And with air rage, as popular as it is today, there would be allot more airliners going down.
Rifleman said "So, you would give the terrs the greatest victory that they could hope to acheive, ie, the distruction of American liberty?
I neither said that or implied that. What I was trying to get at, which I did poorly, was that many of the posters on this forum seemed to be more worried about the temporary, and I stress temporary, tightening of security in the US, than the thousand of dead and wounded, and that sickens me.
Your second statement, "we should hunt down the guilty, kill them, kill their funding sources and make their mamas cry. We should not turn ourselves into a police state", I completely agree with.
A Ruckus of Dogs said "Fine, you fool. Let's turn this into a police state. National curfews. National IDs. A national DNA database. Requiring permission from government before you travel. If people subject themselves to this in order to get a little more security, then the terrorists will truly have won."I never mentioned any of the things you stated in you post, but I hear the Democrats are looking for a few good spin doctors, and you seem very good at twisting someone statement around. Maybe you should apply.
The Shootist said "Liberty is what these people died for. Think!"Liberty is not what these people died for. Think! These people died for no reason, other than to make you nervous about walking the streets. The convenience store owner does not die for liberty, when a robber shots him for a pack of smokes. Think!
wacher1 said "I can't believe you even think that. You are a JBT arn't you. You should be happy about all this. I'm sure you'll be a very busy and happy man as you help transform American from a Free Republic to a gulag police state. BTW What's wrong with finding out who did this and punishing THEM? Shreading the Constitution won't bring the dead back to life."
I don't recall saying that we should shred the Constitution. Maybe you should join A Ruckus of Dogs, and be a spin doctor for the Dems. And yes I am a Federal Law Enforcement Officer, and I'm sure your throwing a big party right now, knowing that over 200 Law Enforcement Officers have died today. You should head over to Palestine and join their celebration.
athiestwithagun said "Nah! More likely he is a DNC Seminar poster. Signed up on 9/3/2001. Just in time for this..."
Yep, I had proir knowledge of this event and signed up so I could be posting on this day, GET A LIFE.
I could go on but it has been a long day for everyone.
For my first posting, I do appologiez. It was written in anger and writen poorly.
I've yet to see anyone here make a reasonable arguement about which *liberties* would be impacted and why. And don't even bother whining about tighter restrictions at airports and aboard aircraft...you don't have any liberties there, anyway.
Why can't you folks let it go for a couple days? Let's concentrate on the victims, the survivors, and our response as a Nation.
The only good that could have come out of yesterdays events would have been to have a national re-examination of this country's interference into the affairs of just about every other country on the planet, but in reality we all know that the result will be more restrictions on the few remaining freedoms we have left and more interference in the affairs of other nations.
That being said, lets vaporize a few million rag-heads today and worry about the Constitution tomorrow.