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New doubts about gun historian
Boston Globe ^ | 9-11-2001 | David Mehegan

Posted on 09/11/2001 1:15:04 PM PDT by farmer18th

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:06:48 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

When Emory University historian Michael A. Bellesiles published his sweeping historical study of guns in Colonial America last fall, the reaction was electric.

His thesis that guns were relatively rare in Colonial households, and that the American ''gun culture'' didn't take hold until long after the Founding Fathers drafted the Second Amendment's ''right to bear arms,'' was immediately hailed by gun control advocates and by a host of historians impressed by his bold rewriting of conventional wisdom.


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Apparently, Bellesiles is being accused of actually altering the probate transcripts he used in his book. A thirteen year old algebra student could have told you that before, of course, but now the other academics have caught up to him...
1 posted on 09/11/2001 1:15:12 PM PDT by farmer18th
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To: farmer18th
Never believed this author from the first time I heard it. Colonials HAD to augment their tables with game fowl,(they couldn't trap turkeys)venison, etc.
2 posted on 09/11/2001 1:22:08 PM PDT by Dudoight
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To: eugene tackleberry
bump
3 posted on 09/11/2001 1:26:02 PM PDT by Rodney King
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To: farmer18th
'Gun historian'? They misspelled 'liar'.
4 posted on 09/11/2001 1:30:21 PM PDT by real saxophonist
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To: Dudoight
The flip side of Bellesiles' theory is that friendly Indians fed and clothed the Colonists up until the evil NRA gave everyone a gun. I believe the correct response is
Haaaak-thoooie !
5 posted on 09/11/2001 1:41:24 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: farmer18th
As if we needed more proof that the Liberal Elite are quite able to use disinformation and propoganda to achieve their ends.
6 posted on 09/11/2001 1:43:54 PM PDT by Rob45and2 (Rob45and2@aol.com)
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To: real saxophonist
liar

That's literally what he is, apparently. I always thought his thesis was bankrupt, because I've reviewed colonial gun ownership myself, but I didn't think he would actually change the primary evidence. Silly, naive me. Never underestimate the depravity of a far-left academic.
7 posted on 09/11/2001 1:46:29 PM PDT by farmer18th
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To: farmer18th
A gun control advocate mis-representing the facts! Oh, knock me down with a feather! He-hee!
8 posted on 09/11/2001 1:50:36 PM PDT by FormerLib
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To: farmer18th
See also the coverage today by National Review On-line (now off the front page because of breaking events).

Disarming America -- One of the worst cases of academic irresponsibility in memory.

http://www.nationalreview.com/01oct01/seckora100101.shtml

9 posted on 09/11/2001 1:52:42 PM PDT by LawProf
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To: LawProf
Socialism is now, and always has been, a philosophy that treats the deliberate lie as an acceptable tactic. All forms of the disease depend upon lies. (See The Lies Of Socialism.)

George Washington's troops were permitted to take their weapons home with them, of course; and Washington for the rest of his life tried to get Congress to appropriate funds to make sure that every household was armed--as in Switzerland, which he considered the modern model. (See The Right & Duty To Keep & Bear Arms.)

Let us hope that they so thoroughly discredit this phoney "historian," that respectable people have no further truck with him, wherever the toad may wonder. His motive appears to be to take away the freedom of our people, and he therefore deserves only the contempt of free men and women.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

10 posted on 09/11/2001 2:03:18 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: farmer18th
This is significant. The lamestream media has been falling all over themselves to heap praise on Bellesiles, and now they are realizing they have been duped.

What you are witnessing is the turning point. From here on, the vilification of Bellesiles will be merciless, and historical scholars everywhere will realize they need to be much more careful.

11 posted on 09/11/2001 2:10:30 PM PDT by justlurking
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To: justlurking
The lamestream media has been falling all over themselves to heap praise on Bellesiles,

Makes me feel like looking up some of those early reviews and emailing the writers for a response.
12 posted on 09/11/2001 2:19:00 PM PDT by farmer18th
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To: farmer18th
Citing Bellesiles on guns is like citing Velikovski on astronomy.
13 posted on 09/11/2001 2:37:59 PM PDT by Grut
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To: bang_list
KBoom.


14 posted on 09/11/2001 2:43:49 PM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: farmer18th
Maybe Bellesiles can co-write a "History of Bad Historians" with Joe Ellis. Tommy "That's the ticket!" Flanagan can edit.
15 posted on 09/11/2001 3:14:14 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: farmer18th
I wonder if Columbia will ask Bellesiles to return his prize for propagandistic excellence...
16 posted on 09/11/2001 3:17:45 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: farmer18th
BTW, the Boston Globe is a year too late. Bellesiles was exposed this historian in the National Review a year ago.
17 posted on 09/11/2001 3:24:27 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: farmer18th
BTW, the Boston Globe is a year too late. Bellesiles was exposed by this historian in the National Review a year ago.
18 posted on 09/11/2001 3:25:10 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
Yep. I remember that NR article. They ripped him a new one. Lying Bstrd
19 posted on 09/11/2001 3:29:39 PM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: farmer18th
My favorite part of the NR article is: "Generally, the errors in Arming America can be divided into the following categories: out of context quotes; using sources that confirm his thesis, while ignoring sources that contradict his thesis; and intentional deception."

No academic will say that about a colleague unless he's got him dead to rights.

More of Cramer's articles on Bellesiles are here.

20 posted on 09/11/2001 3:50:51 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
That's a natural fact. Did you see this FR post from last April?
21 posted on 09/11/2001 3:55:06 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
Ooh, looky here! A nice long list of links to articles laying into Bellyill. Of course, the glowing tributes to his "monumental achievement" are the ones to read. All the usual suspects from the NYT to the Chicago Tribune. Garry Wills practically proposed to the man. LOL!
22 posted on 09/11/2001 4:04:11 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
Garry Wills practically proposed to the man. LOL!

Hah!

I guess what I liked about this story is that even his fellow vultures in Academe turned on him.
23 posted on 09/11/2001 7:57:21 PM PDT by farmer18th
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To: farmer18th
This whole book is a revisionist joke and work of fabrication, deceit and with one purpose in mind... make gun control seem legitimate by rewriting history. These statists rewrite how we interpret our Constitution.. now they rewrite history. Its real tempting to throw a long line of quotes by the founders... but I won't preach to the choir. If you do your homework on this book, read the NRA magazines' reactions and other reviews of this book on bookseller web sites like amazon. There is nothing new about this Orwellian rewrite of history on the part of collectivists, "Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past."
24 posted on 09/12/2001 12:07:26 AM PDT by paleolibertarian
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To: paleolibertarian
I've done a fair amount of study on a little town called Chesterfield, New Hampshire in the 18th century. Every household in that "frontier" town had a gun, by my reckoning. I've always thought this guy was writing to his audience, but I'm glad that even his audience has begun to see through the charade.
25 posted on 09/12/2001 6:36:09 AM PDT by farmer18th
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