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Nous sommes tous Américains [French for, "We are all Americans"]
Le Monde.fr ^ | Sept. 12, 2001 | Jean-Marie Colombani

Posted on 09/14/2001 12:11:11 PM PDT by Silly

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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp, ckilmer
With full gratitude and due respect, do let's let GEC provide a readable translation, paragraph by paragraph. I think the thread and the article will be better served.

Many thanks, friends.

21 posted on 09/14/2001 12:35:00 PM PDT by Silly
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To: Silly
I printed the article. I'll see if I can have a go at it over the weekend. This will not necessarily be a literal translation but I will try to give you the spirit of the article.

To the French government:
Lafayette, nous sommes ici! Et, VOUS?

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic!)

22 posted on 09/14/2001 12:35:30 PM PDT by LonePalm (Le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican))
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To: Silly
babel fish translation

One century new thus advances, technologically powerful, as shows it the sophistication of the operation of war which struck all the symbols of America: those of economic overpower to the c.ur of Manhattan, of the military " power " to the Pentagon, and finally of the guardian power of the Middle East very close to Camp David. The accesses of this century are also inintelligibles. Except joining promptly and without precautions with the stereotype already more spread, that of the release of a war of the south against north. But to say that, it is to credit the authors with this fatal madness of " good intentions " or an unspecified project according to which it would be necessary to avenge the people oppressed against their single oppressor, America. It would be to enable them to claim " poverty ", thus making insult with the poor! Which monstrous hypocrisy
23 posted on 09/14/2001 12:36:32 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: Argh, Petronski
Hilarity or no, let's forego the "babble" and let GEC and other provide a readable translation.

Thanks for understanding.

24 posted on 09/14/2001 12:37:09 PM PDT by Silly
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To: GEC
How can we not at the same time be confronted by the following: the new century has arrived. The 11th of September, 2001 marks the entrance into a new era, which now seems so far away from the promises and hopes of another historic day, that of November 9th, 1989 (fall of the Berlin Wall), and that of a less euphoric year 2000 that we had believed could end with peace in the Middle East (the French refer to the Middle East literally as the Near East; they are a lot closer after all), had given birth to.
25 posted on 09/14/2001 12:37:53 PM PDT by GEC
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To: Silly
babel fish translation

None of those which lent the hand to this operation can claim to want the good of humanity. These do not want a world better, just. They want simply to stripe ours of the card. Reality is more surely that, indeed, of a world without counterweight, physically destabilized thus dangerous, multipolar fault of balance. And America, in the loneliness of its power, of its hyper-power, in the absence from now on of any Soviet against-model, ceased attracting the people with it; or more precisely, in certain points of the sphere, it does not seem any more to attract but hatred. In the controlled world of the cold war where terrorisms were more or less helped by Moscow, a form of control was always possible; and the dialogue between Moscow and Washington never stopped.
26 posted on 09/14/2001 12:38:47 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: Silly
I have a halfway decent translation program. Unfortunately, I don't have time to proofread the results, but here's what came out the other end. Keep in mind, not everything is going to translate well, if at all:

In this tragic moment where the words appear so poor to say the shock that one feels, the first thing that comes to the spirit is this one: we are all Americans! We are all New-Yorkais, as surely as Kennedy John declared itself, in 1963 to Berlin, Berlinois. How to not feel in fact, as in the most serious moments of our history, solidaires profondément of this people and of this country, the United States, of which are for us so near and to that let us have liberty for us, and therefore our solidarity.

How to not be at the same time immediately assailed by this constat: the new century is advanced. The day of the 11SEPTEMBRE 2001 brand the enter into a new era, that appears for us very far promises and hopes of another historic day, the one of November 9 1989, and that a year somewhat euphorique, the year 2000, that one believed to be able to conclude itself by the peace to the Near-East, had done to be born.

A new century advances itself therefore, performant technologiquement, as the watch the sophistication of the war operation that hit all the symbols of america: those of the economical surpuissance to the cœur of Manhattan, of the "power" military to the Pentagon, and at last tutélaire power of the Near-East very close to David Camp. The approaches of this century are also inintelligibles. Except to itself rally promptly and without precautions to the cliché already the most shed, the one of the déclenchement of a war of the south against the north. But to say that, this is créditer the authors of this deadly madness of "good intention" or of an any project according to which one it would be necessary to avenge the oppressed peoples against their unique oppressor, america. This would be to allow for them to claim itself of the "poverty", doing thus insult to the poor ones! Which monstrous hypocrisy. None of those that lent the hand to this operation cannot claim to want the good of humanity. Those do not want any a world better, more just. They want simply to scratch the ours of the card.

The reality is more surely the one, in fact, of a world without contrepoids, déstabilisé physically therefore dangerous, for lack of multipolaire balance. And america, in the solitude of his power, of his hyper-power, in the absence henceforth of all soviétique against-models, stopped attracting the peoples to her; or precisely, in certain points of the globe, she does not seem more to attract than hate. In the régulé world of the cold war where the terrorismes were little or prou helped by Moscow, a check form always was possible; and the dialog between Moscow and Washington did not interrupt itself never. In the today world monopolistique this is a new barbarie, apparently without checks, that appears to want s'ériger itself in against-be able. And maybe have us ourselves in Europe, war of the Golfe to the usage of the F16 by the Israeli army against Palestiniens, under-estimated the intensity of the hate that, suburbs of Djakarta to those of Durban, while passing by these crowds rejoiced at Naplouse and Caire, itself concentre against the United States.

But the reality, this is maybe also the one of an America recovered by his cynisme: if Laden Ben is well, as seem to think authorities for American it, the l'ordonnateur of the day of September 11, how to not recall that it himself was formed by the CIA, that it was the one of the elements of a political one, turned against Soviétiques, that the Americans believed knowing. Would not be this step then the america that haould child this devil?

In any case, america will change. Profondément. She is as a big paquebot, slipping a long time on a same trajectory. And when this one is infléchie, she is it durably. Now even if the language is galvaudé, the United States have just undergone an unprecedented shock. Without climbing back up to the all first aggression on his territory, the one of 1812 where the British army détruisit the first White House, the nearest episode that imposes is the one of Harbor Pearl. It was in 1941, far continent, with bombers against a floats military: the horror of Harbor Pearl is not nothing in look of what has just arrived. She is to the clean direction without commune measures: yesterday 2400 engloutis sailors, today very more of civil innocent ones.

Harbor Pearl had marked the end of an isolationism, ancré to the point to have withstood even to the barbarie of Hitler. When in 1941, Lindbergh Charles did a turn of lectures in Europe to plead against all American implication, a wide part of the besides-Atlantic opinion dreamed already of a have just had to withdraw on the latino-American space, leaving the europe to its ruins and to its crimes. After Harbor Pearl all changed. And america has all accepted one, the Marshall plan as the GI's sending on all the points of the globe. Vint next the vietnamienne tear, that unstopped on a new doctrine, the one of the massive and rare employment of the force, accompanied dogme of the "zero death" American as that was illustrated during the war of Golfe. All that henceforth is swept: any doubts all the means to use against opponents remained at this insaisissables day. The new one gives that sketches itself in the blood behaves to this stadium at least two prévisibles consequences. All two have trait to the alliances: this some is beautiful and very finished of a completely conceived stratégie against Russia then soviétique. Russia, less in his non part-islamisée, will become the principal ally of United States. Movement that the Poutine president seized as early as evenings drama. Maybe some is this finished one also of an alliance as the United States had sketched as early as the and solidly established thirties in the years 1950 with the Moslem l'intégrisme sunnite, such as it is defended notably in Saudi Arabia and to Pakistan. To the eyes of the American opinion and of its leaders, the l'islamisme, under all its forms, risks to be designated as the new enemy. Of course, the anti- réflexe already had given place, right after the City d'Oklahoma attempt against a building.

Beyond their apparent deadly madness, these last ones obey despite all to a logic. It acts himself evidently of a barbaric logic, of a new nihilism that répugne to a big majority of those that believe in islam, of which the religion does not authorize more commits suicide than Christianity for it; even more it couplé suicide to the massacre of the innocent ones. But it is a question of a political logic that by the climbed to the extreme ones wants to oblige the Moslem opinions to "to choose their camp", against those that often are designated as "big Satan". This fact, their objective well being to spread and to develop an unprecedented crisis as a whole of the Arabic world.

To long term, this attitude is evidently suicidal. Because she attracts the lightning. And that she can attract it without discernment. This position orders to our leaders to hoist itself to the height of circumstances. To avoid to the peoples that these convoitent fauteurs war and on which these they count to enter to them turn in this logical suicidal. For one can say it with effroi: the modern technology allows for them go again more far. The madness, even to the pretext of despair, is not never a force that can regenerate the world. Here why, today, we are American.

27 posted on 09/14/2001 12:41:00 PM PDT by Serb5150
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To: Silly
I am astonished! It's in French, allright, but could a Frenchman have really written this?!? A bas le hubris!
28 posted on 09/14/2001 12:41:51 PM PDT by tlrugit
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To: Silly
[Here it is, paragraph by paragraph.]

(1) In this tragic moment where the words appear so poor to say the shock that one feels, the first thing which comes to mind is this one: we all are American! We all are New-Yorker, as surely as John Kennedy declared himself, in 1963 in Berlin, Berlinois. How not to smell itself indeed, as in the most serious moments of our history, deeply interdependent of these people and this country, the United States, to which we are so close and with which we owe freedom, and thus our solidarity.

(2) How not not to be attacked at the same time at once by this report: the new century is advanced. The day of the 11septembre 2001 mark the input in a new era, which appears to us well far from the promises and the hopes of another historic day, that of November 9, 1989, and which one year somewhat euphoric, year 2000, that one believed capacity to conclude itself by peace in the Middle East, had given birth to.

(3) One century new thus advances, technologically powerful, as shows it the sophistication of the operation of war which struck all the symbols of America: those of economic overpower to the c.ur of Manhattan, of the military " power " to the Pentagon, and finally of the guardian power of the Middle East very close to Camp David. The accesses of this century are also inintelligibles. Except joining promptly and without precautions with the stereotype already more spread, that of the release of a war of the south against north. But to say that, it is to credit the authors with this fatal madness of " good intentions " or an unspecified project according to which it would be necessary to avenge the people oppressed against their single oppressor, America. It would be to enable them to claim " poverty ", thus making insult with the poor! Which monstrous hypocrisy. None of those which lent the hand to this operation can claim to want the good of humanity. These do not want a world better, just. They want simply to stripe ours of the card.

(4) Reality is more surely that, indeed, of a world without counterweight, physically destabilized thus dangerous, multipolar fault of balance. And America, in the loneliness of its power, of its hyper-power, in the absence from now on of any Soviet against-model, ceased attracting the people with it; or more precisely, in certain points of the sphere, it does not seem any more to attract but hatred. In the controlled world of the cold war where terrorisms were more or less helped by Moscow, a form of control was always possible; and the dialogue between Moscow and Washington never stopped. In the monopolistic world of today it is a new cruelty, apparently without control, which appears to want to set up in countervailing power. And perhaps have we ourselves in Europe, of the war of the Gulf to the use of F16 by the Israeli army against the Palestinians, underestimated the intensity of the hatred which, of the suburbs of Djakarta to those of Durban, while passing through this crowd delighted by Naplouse and of Cairo, concentrates against the United States.

(5) But reality, it is perhaps also that of America caught up with by its cynicism: if Ben Laden is well, as seem to think it the American authorities, the director of the day of September 11, how not to recall that it itself was formed by the CIA, that it was one of the elements of a policy, turned against the Soviets, that the Americans believed erudite. Wouldn't this be then America which would have given birth to this devil?

(6) In any event, America will change. Deeply. It is like a large steamer, slipping a long time on a same trajectory. And when this one is inflected, it is it durably. However even if the language is galvaudé, the United States has just undergone a shock without precedent. Without going up with the very first aggression on its territory, that of 1812 when the British army destroyed the first White House, the episode nearest which is essential is that of Pearl Harbor. It was in 1941, far from the continent, with bombers against a military fleet: the horror of Pearl Harbor is nothing compared to what has just arrived. It is with the literal meaning without common measurement: yesterday 2400 absorbed sailors, today well more the civil innocent ones.

(7) Pearl Harbor had marked the end of an isolationism, anchored to the point to have resisted even the cruelty of Hitler. When in 1941, Charles Lindbergh made a lecture tour in Europe to plead against any American implication, a broad part of the opinion on the other side of the Atlantic dreamed already of a fold on Latin-American space, leaving Europe with his ruins and his crimes. After Pearl Harbor all changed. And America very accepted, the Marshall plan like the sending of GI' S on all the points of the sphere. Came then the tear Vietnamese, which led to new doctrines, that from the large-scale use and rare of the force, accompanied by the dogma of " zero dead " American as that was illustrated during the war of the Gulf. All that from now on is swept: there is no doubt that all the means will be used against adversaries remained imperceptible to date. The news gives which is outlined in blood comprises at this stage at least two foreseeable consequences. Both milked with alliances: it is indeed finished by it of a very whole strategy conceived against Russia then Soviet. Russia, at least in its not Islamized part, will become the principal ally of the United States. Movement that president Poutine seized as of the evening of the drama. Perhaps this is also finished by it alliance which the United States had outlined as of the Thirties and firmly established in the years 1950 with the Moslem integrism sunnite, such as it is defended in particular in Saudi Arabia and in Pakistan. With the eyes of the American opinion and its leaders, Islamism, in all its forms, is likely to be designated as the new enemy. Admittedly, the anti-islamiste reflex had already given place, at once after the attack of Oklahoma City against a federal building, with ridiculous, if not odious declarations. But, this time, the inextinguishable hatred which nourishes these attacks just like the choice of the targets and the military character of the organization necessary limits the number of the possible authors.

(8) Beyond their apparent fatal madness, the latter obey despite everything with a logic. It is obviously about a barbarian logic, of a new nihilism which is repugnant to a great majority of those which believe in the Islam, whose religion does not authorize more the suicide that Christianity; with stronger reason the suicide coupled with the massacre of the innocent. But it is about a political logic which by the rise to the extremes wants to oblige the Moslem opinions " to choose their camp ", counters those which are usually indicated like " the great Satan ". By doing this, their objective could be to extend well and develop a crisis without precedent in the whole of the Arab world.

(9) In the long run, this attitude is obviously suicidal. Because it attracts the lightning. And that it can attract it without understanding. This situation orders from our leaders to rise equal to the circumstances. To avoid with the people that these warmongers covet and on whom they hope to enter in their turn this suicidal logic. Because one can say it with fear: modern technology enables them to go even further. The madness, even with the pretext of despair, is never a force which can regenerate the world. For this reason, today, we are American.

29 posted on 09/14/2001 12:42:26 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: Silly
babel fish translation

In the monopolistic world of today it is a new cruelty, apparently without control, which appears to want to set up in countervailing power. And perhaps have we ourselves in Europe, of the war of the Gulf to the use of F16 by the Israeli army against the Palestinians, underestimated the intensity of the hatred which, of the suburbs of Djakarta to those of Durban, while passing through this crowd delighted by Naplouse and of Cairo, concentrates against the United States.

But reality, it is perhaps also that of America caught up with by its cynicism: if Ben Laden is well, as seem to think it the American authorities, the director of the day of September 11, how not to recall that it itself was formed by the CIA, that it was one of the elements of a policy, turned against the Soviets, that the Americans believed erudite. Would not be this then America which would have given birth to it devil
30 posted on 09/14/2001 12:43:13 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: Silly
To: patented

Are you fluent in French, or can you help us find a full translation?

She is, but she isn't around as much.

patent

31 posted on 09/14/2001 12:44:06 PM PDT by patent
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To: GEC, WILL WONDERS NEVER CEASE???
"...the USA, with whom we are so close and to whom we owe freedom, and hence our solidarity (or sympathy)."

Well, slap me on the ass and call me Judy.

Never, ever thought I'd live to see the day the French say something nice about us.........let alone acknowledge that they owe their freedom to Americans during WWII (and WWI before that). But hey.............they helped us during the Revolutionary War, leave us not forget.

It pains me to say it, but I think the French just jumped up a few notches in my book.

32 posted on 09/14/2001 12:45:38 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Silly
In this tragic moment where the words appear so poor to say the shock that one feels, the first thing which comes to mind is this one: we all are American! We all are New-Yorker, as surely as John Kennedy declared himself, in 1963 in Berlin, Berlinois. How not to smell itself indeed, as in the most serious moments of our history, deeply interdependent of these people and this country, the United States, to which we are so close and with which we owe freedom, and thus our solidarity.

How not not to be attacked at the same time at once by this report: the new century is advanced. The day of the 11septembre 2001 mark the input in a new era, which appears to us well far from the promises and the hopes of another historic day, that of November 9, 1989, and which one year somewhat euphoric, year 2000, that one believed capacity to conclude itself by peace in the Middle East, had given birth to.

One century new thus advances, technologically powerful, as shows it the sophistication of the operation of war which struck all the symbols of America: those of economic overpower to the c.ur of Manhattan, of the military " power " to the Pentagon, and finally of the guardian power of the Middle East very close to Camp David. The accesses of this century are also inintelligibles. Except joining promptly and without precautions with the stereotype already more spread, that of the release of a war of the south against north. But to say that, it is to credit the authors with this fatal madness of " good intentions " or an unspecified project according to which it would be necessary to avenge the people oppressed against their single oppressor, America. It would be to enable them to claim " poverty ", thus making insult with the poor! Which monstrous hypocrisy. None of those which lent the hand to this operation can claim to want the good of humanity. These do not want a world better, just. They want simply to stripe ours of the card.

Reality is more surely that, indeed, of a world without counterweight, physically destabilized thus dangerous, multipolar fault of balance. And America, in the loneliness of its power, of its hyper-power, in the absence from now on of any Soviet against-model, ceased attracting the people with it; or more precisely, in certain points of the sphere, it does not seem any more to attract but hatred. In the controlled world of the cold war where terrorisms were more or less helped by Moscow, a form of control was always possible; and the dialogue between Moscow and Washington never stopped. In the monopolistic world of today it is a new cruelty, apparently without control, which appears to want to set up in countervailing power. And perhaps have we ourselves in Europe, of the war of the Gulf to the use of F16 by the Israeli army against the Palestinians, underestimated the intensity of the hatred which, of the suburbs of Djakarta to those of Durban, while passing through this crowd delighted by Naplouse and of Cairo, concentrates against the United States.

But reality, it is perhaps also that of America caught up with by its cynicism: if Ben Laden is well, as seem to think it the American authorities, the director of the day of September 11, how not to recall that it itself was formed by the CIA, that it was one of the elements of a policy, turned against the Soviets, that the Americans believed erudite. Wouldn't this be then America which would have given birth to this devil?

In any event, America will change. Deeply. It is like a large steamer, slipping a long time on a same trajectory. And when this one is inflected, it is it durably. However even if the language is galvaudé, the United States has just undergone a shock without precedent. Without going up with the very first aggression on its territory, that of 1812 when the British army destroyed the first White House, the episode nearest which is essential is that of Pearl Harbor. It was in 1941, far from the continent, with bombers against a military fleet: the horror of Pearl Harbor is nothing compared to what has just arrived. It is with the literal meaning without common measurement: yesterday 2400 absorbed sailors, today well more the civil innocent ones.

Pearl Harbor had marked the end of an isolationism, anchored to the point to have resisted even the cruelty of Hitler. When in 1941, Charles Lindbergh made a lecture tour in Europe to plead against any American implication, a broad part of the opinion on the other side of the Atlantic dreamed already of a fold on Latin-American space, leaving Europe with his ruins and his crimes. After Pearl Harbor all changed. And America very accepted, the Marshall plan like the sending of GI' S on all the points of the sphere. Came then the tear Vietnamese, which led to new doctrines, that from the large-scale use and rare of the force, accompanied by the dogma of " zero dead " American as that was illustrated during the war of the Gulf. All that from now on is swept: there is no doubt that all the means will be used against adversaries remained imperceptible to date. The news gives which is outlined in blood comprises at this stage at least two foreseeable consequences. Both milked with alliances: it is indeed finished by it of a very whole strategy conceived against Russia then Soviet. Russia, at least in its not Islamized part, will become the principal ally of the United States. Movement that president Poutine seized as of the evening of the drama. Perhaps this is also finished by it alliance which the United States had outlined as of the Thirties and firmly established in the years 1950 with the Moslem integrism sunnite, such as it is defended in particular in Saudi Arabia and in Pakistan. With the eyes of the American opinion and its leaders, Islamism, in all its forms, is likely to be designated as the new enemy. Admittedly, the anti-islamiste reflex had already given place, at once after the attack of Oklahoma City against a federal building, with ridiculous, if not odious declarations. But, this time, the inextinguishable hatred which nourishes these attacks just like the choice of the targets and the military character of the organization necessary limits the number of the possible authors.

Beyond their apparent fatal madness, the latter obey despite everything with a logic. It is obviously about a barbarian logic, of a new nihilism which is repugnant to a great majority of those which believe in the Islam, whose religion does not authorize more the suicide that Christianity; with stronger reason the suicide coupled with the massacre of the innocent. But it is about a political logic which by the rise to the extremes wants to oblige the Moslem opinions " to choose their camp ", counters those which are usually indicated like " the great Satan ". By doing this, their objective could be to extend well and develop a crisis without precedent in the whole of the Arab world.

In the long run, this attitude is obviously suicidal. Because it attracts the lightning. And that it can attract it without understanding. This situation orders from our leaders to rise equal to the circumstances. To avoid with the people that these warmongers covet and on whom they hope to enter in their turn this suicidal logic. Because one can say it with fear: modern technology enables them to go even further. The madness, even with the pretext of despair, is never a force which can regenerate the world. For this reason, today, we are American.

33 posted on 09/14/2001 12:45:40 PM PDT by riley1992
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To: Silly
The moral support from a French publication is appreciated but I would venture a guess that the only country/people willing to spill a drop of blood in support of our forthcoming actions will be the Brits. We will get nothing but lip service from the rest of our NATO allies when the fit hits the shan.
34 posted on 09/14/2001 12:47:24 PM PDT by Scuttlebutt
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To: Silly
I'm not too good with French but, it looks like terms of surrender to me.
35 posted on 09/14/2001 12:47:44 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: riley1992
Don't count on the french for anything but talk. Remember that we had to rescue them twice because they would not fight for themselves. Severel members of my family are buried there to remind me.
36 posted on 09/14/2001 12:49:23 PM PDT by Oldtory
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To: Silly
Somehow, I get the idea that these electronic translators still have a few bugs in their systems, but you can follow their meaning. (Which, as I read it, is that these guys have finally gotten it through their heads that the Eiffel Tower may be next, so they had best get with the program.)

I wish I could help with the translation, but my knowledge of the language is limited to a fondness for french fries.

37 posted on 09/14/2001 1:00:18 PM PDT by white rose
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
This is a pretty good translation. You get the idea. Thanks, you saved me an hour or two of tedious work. Very interesting. I hope the French government reads it.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic!)

38 posted on 09/14/2001 1:03:36 PM PDT by LonePalm (Le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican))
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To: GEC
Sorry to take so long with this paragraph, but there are some idiomatic expressions which are hard to translate. I'm trying to do justice to the text as well.

A new century begins then, technologically advanced, as is shown by the sophistication of the act of war which struck at all the symbols of America: those of the economic superpower at the heart of Manhattan, of the military "power" at the Pentagon, and finally at the nursery (?) of Middle East power at Camp David. The beginnings of this century are also confusing. Except to quickly rally ourselves and without forethought to the most often repeated cliche, that of the beginning of a war of the South (the southern part of the world--undeveloped and non-Christian) against the North (developed and imperialistic). But to say that is to credit the authors of the murderous folly of "good intentions" or of some project according to which it would be necessary to avenge the oppressed peoples against their lone oppressor, America. This would permit them to reclaim the status of "victims", and thus insulting victims! What monstrous hypocrisy. Not one of those who took part in this attack can even pretend to seek good will toward men. They don't want a better world, a more just world. They only want to cross off ours from the map.

39 posted on 09/14/2001 1:15:29 PM PDT by GEC
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To: GEC
You are doing an excellent job, GEC. Please keep up the good work, and take your time. When complete, I will start thread 2 with your version.

Silly

40 posted on 09/14/2001 1:18:43 PM PDT by Silly
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