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To: farmer18th 2sheep veronica BenF
Guys, you had better study up a little on the culture before you go in shooting. Not an insult, it is coming from the "know your enemies" book of tactics.

For instance, you should have known when the Taliban said Oslama "is our guest" that there is no way they will hand him over. In the desert nomad society that Islam came from, you protect your guests with your life even if you don't like them. Remember the story of the visitors that came to visit Lot in Sodom and Gomorra? Lot offered his daughters to the crowd demanding to sodomize "his guests". You fight to the death to protect someone "under your tent". Our hasty diplomacy trapped the Taliban by their own culture. I am not saying they would hand Bin Laudin over anyway, I am just saying the way we asked they could not.

Another thing you have to understand about Afganistan is they are already bombed into the stone age. There are not too many buildings left standing now. They have been in a drought for 4 years, and the average TRUE Afghani is starving to death. The Taliban are nothing but your local Terrorist Islamic mafia family that has wrested control of Afghanistan from the true rulers. The Average Afghani most likely do not even know diddly squat about America. They did not dance in the streets when Americans died, they do not have TV's and the only radio most of them hears is tied to a post in the village square.

If you bomb Afghanistan into dust, will it stop wackos with a handful of high-tech knives? A knife IS a stone age tool! Pay attention to the Israeli's who have lived amongst these enemies for years. You do not stop terrorism by bombing villages, you just create more terrorists. You stop terrorism by attack the source of the terrorism. In Afghanistan’s case it is the Taliban. There is already a civil war going on as the Afghani’s try to free themselves from the Moslem invaders. If we were patient we could do a fly over taking out 50% of their military might (that is about 100% of what you can hope for with a no-ground assault). Then drop a few supplies like food on the freedom fighters, stand back and watch the problem solve itself. Just like Japan and Germany it is not the people in the streets that are the problem, it is the egomaniac's that have wrested control.

However this is going to ignite a far bigger problem, because the problem is not Afghanistan, it is Radical Islam. The reason Afghanistan was chosen to launch the attack from is precisely because there is not much to bomb there. Do not forget that the strings from Oslama are leading back to Syria, Libya, Egypt and most of all Saudi Arabia. Why would Saudi do this, we saved their asses from Saddam? If you can not answer that question, you are fighting the shadows and do not understand the war you are in! Fail to know your enemy and you will be setup.

Think, come on what is the answer? All the money for this operation came from Saudi. The pilots came from all over but "follow the money'>

The answer is this question, where is the block of rock that all Moslems worship? What nation of all nations controls Mecca, the holy city of Islam? That block of rock is the "Holy of Holies of Islam". All Moslems are required to travel to Mecca and walk around that block. Not just Radical Islamic’s, but ALL Moslems. It is one of their five commandments. The root of their religion.

You guessed it, our war is with Islam. Saudi Arabia is THE core of Islam, Radical or Non-Radical version. Islam teaches a very mild, religious purity type of religion until they get big enough in the host country, then out comes the fire and blood conversion speeches. A civil war is started, and one more empire bites the dust. It may take generations to get a big enough foothold, but desert people are very patient. Is not much to do in the desert but sit in the shade and watch the rocks grow.

When this attack goes down, every Islamic nation in the world is REQUIRED to declare war on America by the Koran. They are however NOT required to do so publicly. They are told by the clerics when the truth does not bring about the result you desire a lie is better given to an infidel. Sure we made a coalition in the middle-east in the Gulf War. They even thanked us, and even Kuwaiti declared war on us, BECAUSE AN INFIDEL RAISED HIS HAND TO SMITE A MOSLEM. Backstabbing your allies is a way of life in the dessert, if it had not been for the foundational rule that you protect your guests under your tent with your life, there would be no civilization in the desserts of Arabia. It is the foundation of their society.

You think the Arabs do not know Americans will Rally-Ho to a war? Think again, we are VERY predictable. We do every time in history. Now we have ourselves landing troops in the only ISLAMIC nation that has nukes to invade its ISLAMIC neighbors. Do not forget that Pakistan is one of ONLY THREE nations to recognize the Taliban Authority as the valid rulers of Afghanistan. They are the Taliban’s BEST BUDDIES. Just think, Pakistan with nukes, and the entire forward arm of the American Army landing in one spot there. One nuclear truck bomb and America is defenseless. Think also that China is the only world class nation to align with the Taliban after the Trade Center Bombing. Russia spent 10 years there setting up a puppet government.

I say go get them, but when you see the three greatest historical enemies of America in a huddle, better get your eyes open before you go stumbling in. I personally think this is a trap. If played right, this can set America up for invasion like nothing else ever has.

Show Restraint all right, go into war right before God, with your eyes open and ready for anything. Hunt your enemies down and destroy every one to the last man. But don't get all in a Rage and run off half-cocked trusting in your fancy toys, or you will be predictable and have high losses.

This is going to be a very difficult war, High Tech vs Stone Age. In case you have not noticed this is the arena that High Tech is the least suited and has the least advantage. In this scenario I will trade in a cruise-missile with a nuke for a single marine. The marine will get the job done far better. BUT he has little advantage due to high-tech toys.

This strike against the WTC is a setup. We HAVE to respond, lets think out the opening move well. Keep in mind the the suddenly friendly Russians at the front door are currently probing our air defenses at the back door. These same Russians have signed a mutual treaty against "American Aggression" within the last two years. China has obtained Aircraft carriers. That is a thing they have no use for in invading Taiwan, China is an unsinkable Aircraft Carrier. Aircraft Carriers are for FORWARD force projection. China has secured the panama canal. Plug the canal, nuke the shores of America and send all those Costco ships over to the states under Aircraft Carriers air cover, and you got invasion. The situation in the States is so bad right now that with our army spread out around the world fighting fires, that if you join the National Guard, you get an overseas billet. Who might I ask are going to stop an Invasion if our Main Army is cutoff over seas? What better spot on earth to cut off our Army than little land-locked Afghanistan? Do not forget that the Russians are the worlds best Chess Players.

Read Isaiah 14-19. If the scenario I have shown above happens, and America responds with a full nuclear strike on the offending nations, this prophecy will be fulfilled in its entirety. Many people suspect that Isaiah 18 is the Invasion of America. When is a branch pruned from the vine? When it shows no fruit. When is the shofar blown? In the feast of Trumpets. That time is now, in the next couple of weeks. (Let the reader understand)

Open your eyes boys, this is a setup. Don't step in the trap. I am not saying don't step, just don't step in the trap. Get your hearts right before God, so your eyes will be fully open.

39 posted on 09/16/2001 12:14:59 AM PDT by American in Israel
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To: American in Israel,Thinkin' Gal,Jeremiah Jr,sirgawain,Prodigal Daughter,MissAmericanPie,DreamWeaver
I say go get them, but when you see the three greatest historical enemies of America in a huddle, better get your eyes open before you go stumbling in. I personally think this is a trap. If played right, this can set America up for invasion like nothing else ever has.

Fascinating post!  A prophet named Henry Gruver stated on a 2-1/2 video in...1995, I think...that the Gulf War was a test to see if America would leave its borders unguarded.  It did and complaints were that there wasn't a soldier every 150 miles for the border.  He said, the next time they do that, their enemies (Russia/China/Arabs) will attack. 

These are indeed perilous times.

40 posted on 09/16/2001 1:29:29 AM PDT by 2sheep
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To: grunt03,TrueBeliever9,babylonian,Fred Mertz,RnMomof7,Governor StrangeReno,Jmouse007,Uncle Bill
See #39 above.
42 posted on 09/16/2001 1:36:23 AM PDT by 2sheep
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To: American in Israel
To #39. The islamists hate China and Russia only a tiny bit less. I can definitely see that there is a risk of one of the two getting involved separately, but they know that sooner or later they will have to go after them. Russia is fighting islamic extremists thoughout its southern borders. They can ally with Iran or Iraq because those are states, and will act in their own interests. The extremists have but one goal to kill all non moslems. They prefer Americans or Jews, but only by a little bit.
45 posted on 09/16/2001 2:20:41 AM PDT by dgehrke
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To: American in Israel
Don't step in the trap. I am not saying don't step, just don't step in the trap. Get your hearts right before God, so your eyes will be fully open.

A very enlightening and thought provoking post, thank you American In Israel.

47 posted on 09/16/2001 3:39:26 AM PDT by DreamWeaver
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To: American in Israel
Thank you for a thought-provoking post. I will reread those passages you suggested today.
50 posted on 09/16/2001 4:12:56 AM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: American in Israel
In an elliptical way, you and I are saying the same things. I don't think the war is against either Afghanistan, the Taliban, or even terrorism. It's against that set of cultural condtions throughout the Arab world that perpetually spawns radical, unaccountable assaults on America and the west. To win, we need to occupy and rule. I don't really care what Arab culture says about protecting guests. I want to make sure, if we fight, that culture will never have the power to act on its more pernicious impulses. They need to be humbled--and then Christianized.
51 posted on 09/16/2001 8:20:51 AM PDT by farmer18th
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To: American in Israel cc: Sabramerican, Lent, dennisw
Outstanding post. And good to know our 'friends', too. The Sauds are in Mecca because they evicted the Hashemites, who ruled there for some 700 years. If people understood who was installed where [by the British, namely the Hashemites] and why, they would realize that that there's a lot of fuel for the fire over there. Surely the Hashemites would just love to have the Hejaz back, along with the rest of Arabia, as well as Iraq and Damascus. And the West would appreciate a 'friendly' puppet controlling the oil spigots. Abdullah 'King of the Arabs', dreaming of Greater Syria, act II.

"So long as the Arabs fight tribe against tribe
So long will the be a little people, a silly people,
greedy, barbarous and cruel, as you are."

~ T.E. Lawrence to Ali in the movie Lawrence of Arabia

53 posted on 09/16/2001 8:41:06 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: American in Israel
Good comments.
55 posted on 09/16/2001 9:03:50 AM PDT by Lent
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To: American in Israel, 2sheep
I agree with everything you both said. This danger we are facing was predictable because we didn't take precautions. We have many enemies and they are all united against us. Now we better not get myopic and just concentrate on bin Laden.
56 posted on 09/16/2001 9:14:10 AM PDT by Prodigal Daughter
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