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'Don't ask me to kill ... or to die' (This is our Military?)
Lar Larson Show KXL Radio - Portland Ore | 9/17/01 | LAURA VILLANI (PFC Oregon National Guard)

Posted on 09/17/2001 2:31:41 PM PDT by SAMWolf

'Don't ask me to kill ... or to die'

I am a 19-year-old college student. I joined the Oregon National Guard two months before I turned 18.

I write about the possibility of war. I am still in shock about everything that has happened. I want the people responsible to pay for their crimes.

And those are the only people who should pay.

If we go to war, it will be my generation that will have to go. America will ask us to give up our dreams and to die for our country. We will be asked to leave our loved ones, to leave our educations and to die alongside our brothers, sisters and friends.

Please don't ask us to do this. I am not afraid to defend my country, but I am afraid for my country. Enough people have died already. Please don't ask me to kill others or to die myself in the name of revenge.

LAURA VILLANI, Private first class, Pendleton


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To: farmer18th
The problem with the "Greatest Generation" concept re the wonderful U.S. victories in WWII lies in not understanding that the people who ran things - the O6s and above - were from the previous generation. When the guys who took their disciplined command decisions, at the field grade officer and sergeant/private levels, came home, they thought it was mainly them who were most responsible for the successes, and raised a bunch of boomer brats - I can say that cuz I was one.
241 posted on 09/18/2001 9:55:28 PM PDT by 185JHP
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To: SAMWolf
Poor baby that's why we don't need girls in the Military.

Drafted Nov 14th, 1968

242 posted on 09/19/2001 9:20:45 AM PDT by Pete53
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To: ldakers
You know, women are perfectly qualified for a majority of combat positions -- some even more qualified than the men who currently hold them. Just because one woman is now feeling remorse for joining the National Guard to get a cheap education doesn't mean the rest of us are incapable.

The Military accomodates women to be politically correct. When you are in combat the only people you can trust are the ones next to you. Women are not built physically or psychologically for war.

All the PC bull crap will not change that. They are a distraction and and an extra burden for the men they serve with. Most of them cannot even hump their own gear much less pull out a wounded comrade.

243 posted on 09/19/2001 9:28:12 AM PDT by Pete53
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To: ldakers
You know, women are perfectly qualified for a majority of combat positions -- some even more qualified than the men who currently hold them. Just because one woman is now feeling remorse for joining the National Guard to get a cheap education doesn't mean the rest of us are incapable.

No they're not. They're lacking in several major areas, such as strength, focus, and killer instinct. They're too feelings-oriented and emotional.

The military is supposed to be a killing machine, not a camp for all comers who wanna be equal.

244 posted on 09/19/2001 9:33:03 AM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: ldakers
You know, women are perfectly qualified for a majority of combat positions -- some even more qualified than the men who currently hold them.

Bwahahahahaahahaha!!!!!

Just precious...

I guess it was one of those 'perfectly qualified' women whose rucksack and weapon I always ended up carrying along with my own on road marches!

245 posted on 09/19/2001 9:35:02 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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To: American Soldier
Enough people have died already. Please don't ask me to kill others or to die myself in the name of revenge.

I'm not asking you, beeyotch. I'm telling you.

Y'know, in the old, old days, officer's sidearms weren't issued for use on the enemy...

246 posted on 09/19/2001 9:40:24 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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To: SAMWolf
I am not afraid to defend my country

Give me a break; she won't even defend her country in conversation. This twit is a walking liability.

247 posted on 09/19/2001 9:45:39 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Ligeia
Thank you for the link and the restoration of my sanity.(^: Would you consider posting this article to FR for comments and morale?
248 posted on 09/19/2001 9:45:46 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: SAMWolf
The newest ME generation.
249 posted on 09/19/2001 9:46:56 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: SAMWolf
To: LAURA VILLANI, Private first class, Pendleton

William Shakespeare had a few words that are applicable to you. I would paraphrase and update them here.

Rather proclaim it, Rumsfeld, through my host,
That she which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let her depart; her discharge shall be made
And dollars for convoy put into her purse:
We would not die in that woman's company
That fears her fellowship to die with us.
This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
"W" the Prez, Cheney and Rumsfeld,
Powell and Rice, Limbaugh and Hannity,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

To my brothers and sisters in the military:
God Speed, Do your jobs and come home safe. We'll keep the lights on.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic!)

250 posted on 09/19/2001 9:47:48 AM PDT by LonePalm (Le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican))
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To: SAMWolf
I am a 39yr old Gulf War Vet with two kids and a grandson, I will take that sh*theads place and while I go and fight y'all can kick her headless torso around and play polo with her head. Or we could put her *ss on a plane headed for Afghan land, maybe she could explain her position to Bin Laden. People like this make me sick.
251 posted on 09/19/2001 9:57:38 AM PDT by Boogyman
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To: SAMWolf
I understand your fear for I have experienced it myself in the Persian Gulf War. It is a fear of the unknown. This is a fear that all human beings carry in time of war. In my case, I wasted a lot of time, and energy worrying about nothing. I was in service, but wasn't sent to war. The War only lasted 2 weeks! "The Mother Of All Battles" turned into "The Mother Of All Surrenders." Don't fall into the same rut. Sure the prospect of going to war is scary, but it hasn't happened yet. As for me, I'm waiting for war to be declared. Once I know that my country is serious I plan to volunteer. Whatever you do-- don't let your life be ruled by fear!!! As for killing it goes with the turf.
252 posted on 09/19/2001 9:58:47 AM PDT by Destructor (painterbw@yahoo.com)
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To: Pappy Smear
I know a man in his 80's who was rejected by Uncle Sam due to the fact that his work as a blacksmith for the Santa Fe Railroad was considered critical to the war effort. He is a huge, strong man with a blacksmith's handshake, even at his advanced age.

He wanted to go, and tried, and tried, but was continually told that his work keeping the trains running was more important than anything that he could offer on the battlefield. All these years later he still feels guilty that he didn't "serve", even though his contributions were vitally important in winning the war.

Contrast his attitude with that of the cowardly girl at the top of this thread and you don't have to wonder why they called our elders "the Greatest Generation". God help us.

253 posted on 09/19/2001 10:18:17 AM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: chookter
Re. 245

You too? I thought that I was the only one!

254 posted on 09/19/2001 10:19:58 AM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: Jerry_M
Contrast his attitude with that of the cowardly girl at the top of this thread

It sounds strange to me to hear the phrase 'cowardly girl' actually used to refer to a girl!

When did we ever actually decide that women have to be ruff-tuff-muffs and catch bullets to protect us?

Man, we are in a hell of a fix...

255 posted on 09/19/2001 10:33:18 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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To: chookter
I agree with you that we are "in a hell of a fix". At the same time, the phrase "cowrdly girl" is appropriate for one who swore to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States, regardless of motivation, and who is now wanting to weasel out of that solemn oath.

In my perfect world, only men would take that oath. However, since she has taken it, voluntarily, she should be held up to scorn and ridicule for backing out.

256 posted on 09/19/2001 1:39:43 PM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Thank you for the link and the restoration of my sanity.(^: Would you consider posting this article to FR for comments and morale?

Please, feel free! You're welcome to post it if you think it would help in any way.

258 posted on 09/19/2001 7:22:43 PM PDT by Ligeia
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To: SAMWolf
For crying out loud, all us vets are jumping up and down on the recruiters desk PLEADING to let us re-up while screaming KILL, KILL, KILL.. at the top of our lungs and then I read this...............
260 posted on 10/17/2001 11:33:24 AM PDT by ScreamingFist
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