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What We Face
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Posted on 09/18/2001 10:17:43 AM PDT by Eagle9

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To: Eagle9
I just finished reading "Johnny Tremain" for the first time (it's an assignment for homeschool and the 'teacher' needed to read it so she could discuss it with the kids). In the book, the author, Ester Forbes has a statement by James Otis, one of the 'Sons of Liberty' and a member along with Sam Adams& Paul Revere of a group of men called the Observer's Club who met in secret to plot the revolution. At one of their last meetings before the war begins, Otis is describing what will happen in the coming war, how some of the men will give their property, some their knowledge and others, their lives. And he notes how our victory will help people in other countries to see that all people should be free. He says "We give all we have, lives, property, safety, skills...we fight, we die, for a simple thing. Only that a man can stand up."

Let us all remember that these terrorists represent a system even worse than that which we tossed off in 1776. We cannot let our vigilance down for one second, or we will not be safe anywhere in our beloved country.

61 posted on 09/19/2001 9:39:12 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Eagle9
Middle of the night left coast bump...Thank you for the sober, inspiring piece!
62 posted on 09/19/2001 10:36:36 PM PDT by lainde
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To: FITZ
Another morning bump for an important article.
63 posted on 09/20/2001 5:45:09 AM PDT by antidisestablishment
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To: antidisestablishment
Here's my morning bump.
64 posted on 09/20/2001 6:29:56 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Solson
Interesting and on the mark. I think the biggest weapon of our enemy is the strong knowledge that the American People will tire of this campaign and walk away without finishing.

Even those of us who pride ourselves on being vigilant can succumb to the same thing. The temptation to think everything is alright is very human.

After the 1st attack on the World Trade Center, the perpetrators were swiftly caught and debatably brought to justice. At least they were incarcerated. Most American's (myself included) thought that some nutty guys did a terrible thing and were caught. They thought it was over (even as they knew that more of the same could happen in the future) and they went on about their lives.

Now I hope we know that it isn't over and maybe never will be. I also pray that we don't give up our rights in the effort to defend against terrorism. Security is an illusion. I for one would rather live in the knowledge that we are under attack, than live as a prisoner in my own country with no rights.

65 posted on 09/20/2001 7:08:03 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: Eagle9
It's time that this be read by Freepers again. Particularly those calling for extreme violence. I fear that they have forgotten already what the President and others have said about this war.

It will certainly be one that simmers more than boils. I pray that Americans have the ability to see that. GOD bless American.

66 posted on 11/13/2001 3:05:03 AM PST by dixie sass
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To: Eagle9
bump
67 posted on 11/13/2001 3:42:07 AM PST by packrat01
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To: Eagle9
Bump
68 posted on 11/13/2001 3:44:05 AM PST by Dan De Quille
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To: Eagle9
Good Post
BUMP
69 posted on 11/13/2001 3:57:05 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: dixie sass; .38sw; 185JHP; 1FreeAmerican; 1rudeboy; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; 2sheep...
It's time that this be read by Freepers again. --- It will certainly be one that simmers more than boils.

I agree with you on both accounts. While the last twenty-four hours have brought good news
regarding the advance of the Northern Alliance into Kabul, there have also been reports of
message intercepts indicating that Bin Laden will be targeting government buildings and U.S. Military
installations in Saudi Arabia. This would open a new front in the oil producing countries of the Middle East,
while the Afghanistan front moves deeper into the mountains.

I believe this war will alternate between simmer and boil for years to come, probably never reaching a definate end.
The viewpoint of the military historian who wrote this letter, will be relevant throughout this war.

The many parallels that have been made with the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor are apropos. Not only because it was a brilliant sneak attack against a complacent America, but also because we may well be pulling our new adversaries out of caves 30 years after we think this war is over, just like my father’s generation had to do with the formidable Japanese in the years following WW II.

70 posted on 11/13/2001 8:08:54 AM PST by Eagle9
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To: Non-Sequitur; AshleyMontagu; gcruse
fyi :)
71 posted on 11/13/2001 8:16:43 AM PST by JMJ333
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To: Eagle9; dixie sass
I believe this war will alternate between simmer and boil for years to come, probably never reaching a definate end.

How sad but true. This type of subtle (well not the initial WTC attack) psychological warfare will not end.

We can only keep on fighting to contain it as much as possible.

Our country has never faced a foe such as this in such an all inclusive manner.

It's like that Inspector Clusou (of however you spell it) movie where he has his houseboy attack him when ever he is least expecting it.

With the threats to us on our own soil we need to keep on our toes more than ever, expect anything and be prepared.

Sleep with one ear open...

Eagle, thanks for posting this back in Sept, and Dixie, thanks for bringing it to the forefront again.

72 posted on 11/13/2001 8:29:31 AM PST by Syncro
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To: Eagle9
Thanks for the ping, and I will bookmark.
73 posted on 11/13/2001 8:30:25 AM PST by habs4ever
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To: Eagle9
BUMP and thanks for the flag. I've thought since 9/11 that this war is going to be won more with a George Smilly type than a John Rambo type. This war is going to be like an iceburg 75% below the waterline and out of sight.
We will win, we must, surrender is not an option, not if we want something even remotely resembling America on 9/10.
74 posted on 11/13/2001 8:31:46 AM PST by Valin
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To: Eagle9
An excellent opin piece if ever there were.

I have to admit though, given the events of the past few days?
I'm wondering if the numbers of those committed to suicide in the name of their Islamic Jihad is even a fraction of what the lying, cheating, quisling US Lamestream media would have us believe.

I'm not diminishing the conviction of these nuts; not a bit.
Just the number of those ready to lay it on the line as the idiots crashing those jets had.

I base my curiosity on the reports coming out of Afganistan which are sounding more & more familiar to the before & after crap we heard during Desert Storm.
Only this time, the Bush administration effectively cut-off much of the fodder the Leftist America-hating media propaganda machine had used to beat hysteria into a froth during Desert Storm.

The Taliban Mullahs MUST be regretting to this very moment they ever got behind the despot Osama Mamma character; because while the bearded clown can merely skip off to another cave?
This Taliban regime has lost an entire nation.

76 posted on 11/13/2001 8:44:35 AM PST by Landru
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To: DWSUWF
The traitors in the media would be both willing and able to help bring America down from the inside

And lose those paychecks? Get a grip.

77 posted on 11/13/2001 8:50:22 AM PST by sakic
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To: Eagle9
Just keep faith in America, and continue to support your President and military, and the outcome is certain.

Amen! thanks for the ping, eagle. :)

78 posted on 11/13/2001 8:50:42 AM PST by christine
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To: Eagle9
Thanks for the ping!
Your are right...time to read again. I believe your friend is totally right in his assessment.
Bookmarking...
79 posted on 11/13/2001 8:52:43 AM PST by dixiechick2000
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To: Eagle9
Simply put, our soldiers will be tasked with a search and destroy mission on multiple foreign landscapes, and the public must be patient and supportive until the strategy and tactics can be worked out.

I disagree with a fundamental assumption in his argument. We should not sit quietly while our government military of professional soldiers fights the battle for us. If we do, IMHO we are doomed to either defeat or tyranny.

I really don't heve time for a long debate, but you flagged me here. Here is what I think we need to do:

1. Respect the purpose of the Second Amendment.

The militia took down the only plane in the attack that was stopped. With all due respect to the US military, Andrews Air Force Base was across the street from the Pentagon and they couldn't find two guys with Stingers to protect the building an hour and forty minutes after the attack. Had the flying public been armed, we wouldn't have lost a single plane.

Militia = 1 (with a handicap), Standing Army = 0

2. Secure our borders.

What are the necessities of this war if it isn't to protect the homeland of the United States? Who can do that with a border as extended as ours as well as can property owners?

The Militia again.

3. Motivate public support by respecting their Constitutional rights.

Nothing will destroy morale faster than instituting a police state. Nothing is more likely to enlist support by patriotic Muslims than respecting their rights. OTOH, we must crack down on the obvious, such as that Radical Islamic sect and their virtual training camp near Fresno. If we trained a volunteer militia group composed of Muslims for precisely that purpose, would that help?

The Militia again.

4. Hold private business accountable for security failures.

If the airlines had been liable for security, you can bet that they would have had secure doors on cockpits and armed deputy marshals aboard, or their insurance costs would have skyrocketed. A good system prevents problems. It's just hard to see the failures when the sytem is ignored.

5. Demand actuarial payment by US corporations for protection of their interests overseas.

I know, it's radical. The propensity of our nation to send its military overseas to protect our interests is a subsidy to capital seeking cheaper labor in regions that were once "too unstable" for investment. Doesn't that sound like an operating subsidy at the expense of the taxpayer? The military runs all over the planet making the world safe for corporate America and they export our jobs making us more dependent upon those extranational resources, now including food (yes, we are now a net importer of consumable food). I just wish that they would pay for those protection services as the subsidy that they represent. Domestic production would look like the better deal that it really is.

6. Devolve public education.

OK, so I can hope. Without better education, we won't see the simple, effective means and we won't have the discipline and intelligence to execute. We must have the education in history and philosophy that helps a young person understand what is worth fighting for and the educational aristocracy stands squarely in the way as the traitors to our Constitution that they are. We simply must privatize education and recognize that socialism is the reason we are in this mess. This is, after all, a long term fight, isn't it?

I am among those who think it useful to ask ourselves how we allowed ourselves to get into this mess. I think it useful to study the motives of our enemy to understand what makes him tick, anticipate his moves, know his blind spots, and what makes him make stupid mistakes. We should ask precisely such questions of ourselves, lest we be an easy target. No less should we ask them so that we can use what we have to effect.

This is no conventional war. This is preicsely the type of war for which the system the founders anticipated is especially suited. Considering that they had the opportunity to observe imperial European powers, all their adventures, wars, and "commitments to protect their interests," they saw this situation more clearly than do we.

80 posted on 11/13/2001 9:00:03 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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