Posted on 09/18/2001 10:25:47 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
It may be first hand, but there's nothing preventing first hand knowledge from being narrow in scope.
where yours is second hand.
Not entirely. In fact, I studied several islamic philosophers first hand in college. That's more than you've ever done. And more recently, i've been taking some time to read passages from islamic texts like the koran in hopes of learning more about them.
You have learned what you know from material interpreted by this group
BZZZT! WRONG! I have not learned what I know about islam here - i learned it in university studies. If anything, I have shared what I know about Islam and taught several readers of this group, and several of them have written me and thanked me.
The truth must lie somewhere in between.
Potentially it could, but _must_? Nope. It does not necessarily lie anywhere in between. There's an equal possibility that one of us could be flat out wrong. And based on who has posted documented fact and who has posted vague rhetoric between us, I think we both know who that wrong person is.
Please re-examine and doubt those pieces of information you have that demonize me and my heritage.
The only ones that demonize your heritage are the ones your heritage invites demonization over, as they are areas where your heritage has screwed up and acted like a tyranny.
Much of that is in fact propaganda.
Care to specify any particular examples? Didn't think so - you prefer vague generalizations. That's all you ever post.
2. You are a sinner and are separated from him - Because God is holy.
Yes. And you are too. You will be held accountable for your sins. I don't care how many times you were reborn.
You are incorrect. I am not held accountable for my sins. The penalty was already paid (see #3) and they are not held to my account.
3. He sent his Son to pay the price for your sin (as well as the sin of the rest of the world.) He was the only blood sacrifice that could be sufficient - because He (Christ) is God and He is sinless!
God sent the Messiah who is all that, but did doubt - 'coz he's not God.
You're dead wrong.
4. Accept this FREE GIFT now and God will welcome you into his family. His Holy Spirit will dwell in you and guide you.
But Russ, I am. Why do you think I am bothering with this?
Wrong again. You are not bothering me.
5. Once you accept Christ as your Savior, by faith, God will never go back on his promise. There is not possibility that he will change what he has already done. You will have eternal life! Add to that that I must be sincere, and not just pretend to have accepted Christ.
You are correct
From that would follow that I cease to sin.
You are wrong. No man in the flesh has "ceased from sin." The difference is that a Son of God has power to turn away from sin. I am not perfect in the flesh. I am made perfect before the Holy God because He did what I could not do.
How can I have accepted Christ and be so judgmental? Maybe you can explain.
I am sure I could, if only your question made sense.
... finally - here is the important point: Jesus' grave is empty!
Russ
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This is very misleading piece of propaganda:
1.
At that time Syria was part of the Roman/Byzantine Empire and the eastern neighbour was Persian/Sassanid Empire.
2.
Some offended scholars moved to the Persian court invited by Persian king who was interested in philosophy. But later , not being able adjust to Persian way of life they returned.
3.
Muslims conquered Syria and Persia more than hundred years later.
4.
Some Muslim conquerors got acquainted with Greek learning from conquered Christian Greeks over the later centuries. Indeed part of the classic knowledge was transfered to Western Europe through Spain but other parts were brought either directly from Constantinople or was never lost (in Italy or Ireland). After the decrease and impoverishment of non-Muslims the remnants of Greek culture were lost to the Muslim.
5.
BTW, the closure of pagan Academy did not signify the decline of learning in Eastern Christian Empire - the Athens were at at this time increasingly provincial and University of Constantinople founded in a previous century by Theodosius was becoming the leading center of scholarship.
"(a) prior to Islam, what is now Turkey was NOT Islamic"
if abyone cares, I find this to be an adequate example of a tautology.
by the way, If I was intending to imply that GOPCapitalist was hiding behind a plain and simple truism, I just did that, and didn't bring anything else of relevance to the discussion.
TWICE now!
"c'mon baby the laugh's on me" - Dancing in the Dark by Bruce Springsteen
REALLY??
Then all that stuff about a free pass to Paradise, and virgins waiting to serve, and victims being available as slaves for someone who kills infidels is just a bunch of hooey?
I realize there are different approaches to Islam, just as there are different approaches to Christianity, but I've yet to encounter any modern Christian thought that says you can go out and sacrifice innocent people and be immediately welcomed into Heaven.
Any particular reason you are replying to posts made four years ago?
no
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