Posted on 09/22/2001 8:44:49 AM PDT by PietroA
To a point it is. There might be Muslims that don't accept this part of their Koran or they interpret it to be like a parable just as Christians can take a literal or a symbolic view of the Bible. Bin Laden and other extremists really don't seem to refer to other sources besides the Koran, even though as much as they hate Jews, you'd think they were reading Mein Kampf or something.
To understand the willingness of trained educated pilots to commit suicide, I think it's important to understand the religious brainwashing that was used on them. Just like the people at Jonestown who drank the koolaid.
I've read them with growing apprehension. Given the evidence uncovered, the use of these planes is definetly in play.
And, as Larousse2 notes, "Don't rule out those innocent looking remote control planes."
Hell, if the bastards want to go really low-tech, a big box-kite in a field somewhere could release a sizable dose of the death-stuff into a strong, prevailing wind.
I'm sure they request a separate heaven from the men who made their lives hell on earth. Does the Koran have heaven for women? I think they aren't really considered to be human beings but just possessions for the men, not much different than a car or a boat.
Some idiot woman at work has an arab boyfriend who immigrated here at two who thinks OBL gives the people hope. She should travel to the middle east or watch "Beneath the Veil" to get a true picture of Islam. Islam is satanic in nature IMO.
I'm not making this up. They are "blessed" with being able to watch as their husbands have sex with his virgins (and little boys as well).
I've posted this link on a few threads. It is a very interesting, readible interpretation of the "beauty" of Islam written from a Hindu perspective. The writer does not spare his opinions and is very sarcastic and contemtuous of his disgust with Islam and "merciful" Mohommad (A Hindu FReeper, maybe?) After reading this, it is hard to talk about "tolerance" and "diversity" of all religions.
Hollowpoints .... gotta fill them with SOMETHING (lard).
These suicidal maniacs might be willingly infected with a horrible germ or virus: smallpox, ebola etc, then let loose in crowded airports etc to infect as many as possible.
Some of these, such as anthrax, have a fairly long infectious stage before symptoms set in, long enough to set off a chain reaction from airport to airport to airport.
Emerson, Pipes and others have been crying out the truth for years while we cheerfully dragged the Trojan Horse within the city gates.
Have you read the actual 1998 Osama Bin Laden "Fatwa" ordering all moslems to kill all Americans and Jews? I have it, and have been thinking of posting it as a thread, have you seen it posted as thread yet?
A thorough study of Quran and Hadiths reveal an Islam that is not being presented honestly by the Muslim propagandists and is not known to the majority of Muslims. Islam as it is taught in Quran (Koran) and lived by Muhammad, as is reported in the Hadith (Biography and sayings of the Prophet) is a religion of intolerance, inequality, violence, discrimination, superstition, fanaticism, and blind faith. Islam advocates killing the non-Muslims, abuses the human rights of the minorities and women. Islam expanded by Jihad (holy war) and forced its way by killing the non-believers and the dissidents. Apostasy in Islam is the biggest crime, punishable by death. Muhammad was a fundamentalist himself therefore fundamentalism cannot be separated from true Islam. Islam, which means submission, demands from its followers to submit their wills and thoughts to Muhammad and his Allah, a deity that despises reason, democracy, freedom of thought and freedom of expression. I reject Islam a) because of Muhammad’s lack of moral and ethical fortitude and b) because of the absurdities in Quran.
a)Muhammad lived a less than holy life. His lust for sex, his affairs with his maids and slave girls, his pedophilic relationship with Aisha a 9-year-old child, his killing sprees, his massacre and the genocide of the Jews, his slave making and trading, his assassination of his opponents, his raids and lootings of the merchant caravans, his burning of the palm plantations, his destroying the water wells, his cursing and invoking evil on his enemies and his revenge on his captured prisoners of war disqualify him as a decent human being let alone the messenger of God
b) An unbiased study of Quran shows that far from being a “miracle” that book is a hoax. Once Quran is scrutinized with rational thinking, almost every sentence proves to be false. Quran is replete with scientific heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes, logical absurdities and grammatical errors. Could possibly the author of this Universe be as ignorant as it appears to be in Quran?
Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123), slay them (Q. 9: 5), fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) even if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax (Q. 9: 29). Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tell clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q. 3: 85). It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5: 11), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28). It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193). It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (Q. 14: 17). It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that “they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter” (Q.5: 34). “As for the disbelievers”, it says that “for them garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowls and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods” (Q. 22: 9). Quran prohibits a Muslim to befriend a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (Q. 9: 23), (Q. 3: 28). Quran asks the Muslims to “strive against the unbelievers with great endeavor (Q. 25: 52), be stern with them because they belong to hell (Q. 66: 9). The holy Prophet demanded his follower to “strike off the heads of the disbelievers”; then after making a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives” (Q. 47: 4). As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (Q. 4:34). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (Q. 66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (Q. 2:228). It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance (Q. 4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the court (Q. 2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Muhammad allowed the Muslims to marry up to four views and gave them license to sleep with their slave maids and as many “captive” women as they may have (Q. 4:3). He himself did just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they call them kafir and allow themselves to rape their women. Pakistani soldiers raped up to 250,000 Bangali women in 1971 after they massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed that Bangladeshis are unislamic. This is why the prison guards in Islamic regime of Iran rape the women and then kill them after calling them apostates and the enemies of Allah.
This site scrutinizes Islam with Rational Thinking. It rejects time-honored beliefs that cannot stand the probing of reason. It asks questions and encourages independent thinking. It promotes unity of humankind, equality between men and women, abolition of prejudices and freedom from dogmatism and blind faith.
In a world that has become so technologically advanced that even the poorest nations that cannot feed themselves boast having sophisticated nuclear and biological weapons, small misunderstandings can cause catastrophic results. Religion has always been the biggest source of misunderstanding. For religion, people are ready to die, kill and destroy everything else. Only a religious person would believe that he would go to paradise if he kills other human beings. Only a religious person has no regards for the lives he destroys because their faith is not right. In the past century Islamic fundamentalism has been on the rise, and with that terrorisms, revolutions, and upheavals ensued. Millions of lives were lost and still counting. Let us pause for a moment and take a second look at Islam. We may just have made a mistake.
The reason I think Islam is harmful and must go is not due to the fact that Quran says Earth is flat or the stars are missiles that Allah fires at the jinns who climb the heaven to eavesdrop the conversation of the exalted assembly. These tales could even amuse us. Islam must go because it teaches hate, it orders killing the non-Muslims, it denigrates women and it violates the human rights. Islam must go not because it is false but because it is destructive, because it is a danger; a threat to peace and security of humankind. With the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction in Islamic countries, Islam has become a serious and a real threat to the survival of our species.
Ali Sina
October 2000
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Muhammed appears to be the Charles Manson of the 7th century. A most difficult question is the control of his "family" in the post-Enlightment 21st century.
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