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To: paul51
Man you guy's are harsh... The man is just that... a man, not a super-hero/super villan, he's not the one who was out getting inelegance, or firing the missiles, but he's the one everyone comes down on. How much do you think weighs on his shoulders already? besides even if he had gotten Bin Laden, do you really think that would have stopped what happened? My guess would be that that would have sped up the attacks. I'm not defending him for what he did or didn't do or if his pants were on or off (because he's the only man to ever cheat on his wife right, or the only president for that matter) but how would you take it if a big part of the country was pointing the finger at you and saying it's your fault? I blame the airlines more then anything else, or maybe we should blame, here is an outrageous thought... the people that did it?
34 posted on 09/25/2001 3:51:29 PM PDT by Nouge
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To: Nouge
Thank you, Nouge. Well said. My utter contempt for Clinton notwithstanding, he didn't do this.
37 posted on 09/25/2001 3:54:38 PM PDT by ArcLight
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To: Nouge
How much do you think weighs on his shoulders already?

See post #33.

39 posted on 09/25/2001 3:55:13 PM PDT by Hoosier Patriot
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To: Nouge
Oh, wise one...let us not forget the man who LEFT THE COUNTRY during the VietNam war, who "loathed the military," who gutted the military and dismantled U.S. intelligence and was getting a BJ from Monica at the very moment Yassar Arafat was waiting to meet with him in the Rose Garden.

What about the time, right after Waco, when he passes the buck and said, "You better ask Janet Reno about that."

Perhaps you need a refresher course on American History since January 20th, 1993.

48 posted on 09/25/2001 3:58:42 PM PDT by DC Ripper
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To: Nouge
One cannot speak harshly enough about this man. He did anything and everything in his power to destroy America.

He should have been tried, convicted and hung for his crimes. He should not be walking among us. He defiles the ground he walks on. He's the lowest of low, the sleeziest of sleeze. He'd be more at home living in a septic tank, or the NYC sewer system, than walking among free people.

I pray that I outlive him so I can urinate on his grave.

55 posted on 09/25/2001 4:07:43 PM PDT by Critter
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To: Nouge
Man you guy's are harsh... The man is just that... a man, not a super-hero/super villan

Some few had to hound a howl for justice during his shameful tenure. It fell to us as a sacred trust.

Lest the nation forget, this small forum will always sound the call. As Edmund Burke said of Hastings in his Manager for Impeachment presentation:

If it should still be asked why we show sufficient acrimony to exact a suspicion of being in any manner influenced by malice or a desire of revenge, to this, my Lords, I answer, because we should be thought to know our duty, and to have all the world know how resolutely we are resolved to perform it. The Commons of Great Britain are not disposed to quarrel with the Divine Wisdom and Goodness, which has moulded up revenge into the frame and constitution of man. He that has made us what we are has made us at once resentful and reasonable. Instinct tells a man that he ought to revenge an injury; reason tells him that he ought not be a judge in his own cause. From that moment revenge passes from the public to the private hand; but in being transferred it is far from being extinguished. My Lords, it is transferred as a sacred trust to be exercised for the injured, in measure and proportion, by persons, who feeling as he feels, are in a temper to reason better than he can reason. Revenge is taken out of the hands of the original injured proprietor, lest it should be carried beyond the bounds of moderation and justice. But, my Lords, it is in its transfer exposed to a danger of an opposite description. The delegate of vengeance may not feel the wrong sufficiently: He may be cold and languid in the performance of his sacred duty. It is for these reasons that good men are taught to tremble even at the first emotions of anger and resentment for their own particular wrongs; but they are likewise taught, if they are well taught, to give the loosest possible rein to their resentment and indignation, whenever their parents, their friends, their country, or their brethren of the common family of mankind are injured. Those who have not such feelings, under such circumstances, are base and degenerate. These, my Lords, are the sentiments of the Commons of Great Britain.

Lord Bacon has very well said, that "revenge is a kind of wild justice." It is so, and without this wild austere stock there would be no justice in the world. But when, by the skilful hand of morality and wise jurisprudence, a foreign scion, but of the very same species, is grafted upon it, its harsh quality becomes changed, it submits to culture, and, laying aside its savage nature, it bears fruits and flowers, sweet to the world, and not ungrateful even to heaven itself, to which it elevates its exalted head. The fruit of this wild stock is revenge regulated, but not extinguished, -- revenge transferred from the suffering party to the communion and sympathy of mankind. This is the revenge by which we are actuated, and which we should be sorry, if the false, idle, girlish, novel-like morality of the world should extinguish in the breast of us who have a great public duty to perform.

This sympathetic revenge, which is condemned by clamorous imbecility, is so far from being a vice, that it is the greatest of all possible virtues, -- a virtue which the uncorrupted judgement of mankind has in all ages exalted to the rank of heroism. To give up all the repose and pleasures of life, to pass sleepless nights and laborious days, and, what is ten times more irksome to an ingenuous mind, to offer oneself to calumny and all its herd of hissing tongues and poison fangs, in order to free the world from fraudulent prevaricators, from cruel oppressors, from robbers and tyrants, has, I say, the test of heroic virtue, and well deserves such a distinction. The Commons despairing to attain the heights of this virtue, never lose sight of it for a moment. For seventeen years they have, almost without intermission, pursued, by every sort of inquiry, by legislative and by judicial remedy, the cure of this...malady, worse ten thousand times than the leprosy which our forefathers brought from the east. Could they have done this, if they had not been actuated by some strong, some vehement, some perennial passion, which, burning like the Vestal fire chaste and eternal, never suffers generous sympathy to grow cold in maintaining the rights of the injured or in denouncing the crimes of the oppressor?

My Lords, the Managers for the Commons have been actuated by this passion; my Lords, they feel its influence at this moment; and so far from softening either their measures or their tone, they do here, in the presence of their Creator, of this House, and of the world, make this solemn declaration, and nuncupate this deliberate vow: that they will ever flow with the most determined and unextinguishable animosity against tyranny, oppression, and perculation in all, but more particularly as practiced by this man...; that they never will relent, but will pursue and prosecute him and it, till they see corrupt pride prostrate under the feet of justice. We call upon your Lordships to join us; and we have no doubt that you will feel the same sympathy that we feel, or (what I cannot persuade my soul to think or my mouth to utter) you will be identified with the criminal whose crimes you excuse, and rolled with him in all the pollution of ...[this] guilt from generation to generation. Let those who feel with me upon this occasion join with me in this vow: if they will not, I have it all to myself.

Re-read this and know that there are those here that will ever flow with animosity, in the grand tradition of Burke.
62 posted on 09/25/2001 4:13:29 PM PDT by KC Burke
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To: Nouge
He's protesting too much. He did the same thing when he was whipped for reelection as governor of Arkansas. He haunted the supermarkets, accosting shoppers to ask them why they voted him out of office. He ALWAYS gets this way when he knows he either screwed up, or has done something illegal or immoral, and is about to be caught. He was in charge of internal security in this country for EIGHT YEARS. During that eight years, his FBI Director, whom Clinton installed after a controversial sacking of Director William Sessions, Louis Freeh, told Congress that the Arab terrorists cells operating within this country were not a threat. The real threat came from anti-abortion demonstrators and the beer-belly patriots of the militia movement. Freeh admitted that his FBI had "populated" Abu Nidal and other terror cells, but that all the terrorists were doing was "fundraising" and "gathering intelligence." That was in 1999.

Clinton is accosting strangers in the street to defend himself because he KNOWS he either screwed up, or did something wrong deliberately. As the terrorists waited until he was out of office to do this, I suspect the latter is the truth.

64 posted on 09/25/2001 4:13:47 PM PDT by roughrider
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To: Nouge
welcome to free republic. nice to note that you're new here, for, what, a day now. you'll find that defending billary is not something easily done here, because the people here happen to be informed. what works on sheep doesn't work on free people.

dep

68 posted on 09/25/2001 4:18:23 PM PDT by dep
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To: Nouge
Man you guy's are harsh... The man is just that... a man, not a super-hero/super villan,...

He's a rapist who bombs aspirin factories to turn attention away from his crimes.

No, we are not harsh, we are honest.

BTW, welcome to Free Republic.

70 posted on 09/25/2001 4:20:55 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Nouge
Is it you, bubba? Welcome to FR! You'll get exactly what you missed last 8 years - HONEST OPINION ABOUT YOU.
78 posted on 09/25/2001 4:32:21 PM PDT by truther
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To: Nouge
Welcome to the Free Rupublic. Search the archives and you may be surprised by:

a) The depth of knowledge of the Middle East and Osama bin Laden and related topics you will find here.

b) The balance, sophistication, and consistent debunking of bad information you will find here in the face of concerted efforts of all kinds of extremists to hijack this forum.

The well-documented depths to which Clinton did in fact go. He is a bad, bad, bad man. Much worse than I thought possible.

93 posted on 09/25/2001 4:43:23 PM PDT by eno_
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To: Nouge
According to the news today, The Mossad told the Clinton Admin last year that Arab terrorists were planning a big strike against the US public. What did they do with this information? Nothing! Nada! Who's to blame? Three guesses.
110 posted on 09/25/2001 5:09:17 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: Nouge
Just the fact that x42 filled the White House with people who could not readily and honestly pass a security check was quite enough to set us up for this.

Just the fact that Craig Livingstone walked barefoot thru confidential files on up towards a thousand members of the opposition party without cause--and was never punished except for losing a job he should never have even been considered for in the first place--would have been quite enough to impeach any Republican president. And you, mister
Nouge member since September 24th, 2001
voted for x42's reelection even knowing all that, and Travelgate, and . . . what's the use! Unbelievable!

119 posted on 09/25/2001 5:13:13 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: Nouge
THe point is he is blaming himself.
121 posted on 09/25/2001 5:18:41 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Nouge
Harsh????

Man, you ARE a newbie, aren't you.

This thread is downright gentle on the Disgraced, Impeached, Rapist, Treasonous, (ex) POTUS

formerly referred to on this forum as DIRTPOTUS.

Now he is just x42 and is considered to be as relevant, useful and valuable as a used condom floating in a septic tank.

He will never be forgiven for the damage he did to America. We will never forget that this is the guy who ate pizza and got a blow-job while discussing the deployment of troops in the Balkins. We will never forget his lies, his treason or his immorality.

If you are looking for sympathy for that pile of buzzard puke, you have come to the wrong shop.

Gee... Anyone think I am being harsh here?

122 posted on 09/25/2001 5:21:04 PM PDT by Ronin
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To: Nouge
... How much do you think weighs on his shoulders already?...

Sorry, it is my belief the only regret bubba has is not being the center of attention.

He is a sociopath. He is the center of his own universe.

132 posted on 09/25/2001 6:00:52 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Nouge
wag my dog, nuggie.
136 posted on 09/25/2001 6:09:39 PM PDT by Anonymous2
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To: Nouge
If it was up to us the guy would be behind bars. All we can do now is talk about what a waste he was and is. He was the morally corrupt president this country has ever had.
163 posted on 09/25/2001 8:01:11 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: Nouge
Hey 9-24-2001- Newbie..That "everybody does it" Crap doesn't fly anymore. You are just trying to salve your conscience for votingor the white-trash scumbag! Probably TWICE!

7000 THOUSAND civilians are dead bevause Party Boy Prez was too busy getting Blow-Jobs and sending ou his minions to destroy people like Ken Starr.

You are partially responsible because "actions have consequences"......your parents should have taught you that.

172 posted on 09/26/2001 3:02:36 AM PDT by Ann Archy
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