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Strategy: Crack Force Set to Prise Bin Laden from his Lair
News Telegraph - UK ^ | 9/30/01

Posted on 09/29/2001 8:18:29 PM PDT by GVnana

Crack force set to prise bin Laden from his lair

By Macer Hall (Filed: 30/09/2001)

SPECIAL forces units are preparing to launch underground attacks on the network of tunnels and caves that conceal Osama bin Laden and his guerrilla fighters.

The SAS and American elite troops will attempt to penetrate the fortified subterranean hideouts to kill or capture terrorists under plans being drawn up by military strategists for a "warning shot" in the war against terror.

Commanders know, however, that such close-quarter combat under the mountains of southern Afghanistan could lead to heavy casualties.

Historically, Afghan fighters have used their detailed knowledge of the caves and hidden trails through the mountains to defeat invaders. Their ability to strike with surprise, then vanish, was the key to their success against the Soviet Army in the 1980s.

Bin Laden's forces have burrowed a complex web of tunnels and caves beneath the mountains. Each base is defended by gun emplacements and anti-aircraft missiles launchers. The networks have dozens of escape tunnels and are linked to observation posts on mountain sides.

An assault on one or more of the caves would need a substantial force of aircraft, artillery and airborne troops to support it. Air strikes with deep penetration weapons would begin the attack, to knock out defences and to blast holes into the caves.

The United States could launch Tomahawk Block III missiles, which are guided by the Global Positioning Satellite system and have 1,000lb warheads, from submarines or warships in the Gulf. For greater accuracy, GPS-guided GBU28 "bunker busting" bombs could be dropped by F15E Eagles, F16 Fighting Falcons or other attack aircraft.

Then a special forces team would be deployed by helicopter - CH-53 Sea Stallions are an option - to attack guerrillas flushed out by the bombing and infiltrate the tunnels. In addition to the SAS and US Delta Force, other elite units with mountain fighting capability may be involved in an attack, including the Americans' 75th Ranger Regiment and the Royal Marines 3 Commando Brigade.

Charles Heyman, the editor of Jane's World Armies, said: "It would be a very difficult operation, there is no doubt about that. Commanders will want a lot of troops and aircraft as well as artillery in support because many defences may still be in place after air strikes.

"The classic terrorist tactic is to desert these places and move away and not get themselves caught by properly organised military forces of any sort. But if there are people trying to defend them, you could have a really bloody battle on your hands."

Contingency plans for airlifting casualties out of the battle zone will also be necessary. American strategists are drawing on the experiences of the "tunnel rats" of the Vietnam War, the US soldiers who, armed with grenades, pistols and torches, fought in the hundreds of miles of tunnels dug by Communist guerillas.

While military technology has moved on, with thermal imaging equipment used to track enemies, the battle would come down to the same techniques of hand-to-hand fighting in claustrophobic conditions.

The terrorists' tunnels are believed to be able to conceal thousands of fighters for months. They include dormitories and other living quarters, communication centres and armouries stacked with Kalashnikov rifles, mortars, ammunition and explosives.

Some of the caves have lighting and electricity supplied by generators and makeshift systems of hot water pipes for heating. Al-Qaeda fighters live a sparse existence with just the Koran for comfort.

Bin Laden was known to be based in a cave in a mountain range above Jalalabad in eastern Afghanistan, the subterranean centre of his global terror network, until disappearing before the US hijack attacks.

His underground lair was reported to have a library of Islamic texts, an arms store and a communication room including computers, faxes and a satellite telephone.


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To: GVgirl
I have some experience in tunnel construction. A few comments:

It is very difficult to "hide" a tunnel, because every cubic foot of rock excavated must be dumped outside somewhere on the ground. Freshly excavated rock looks quite different from normal ground and its very easy to detect on air photos or satellite photos.

The thing people in tunnels fear most is not cave-ins, it's fire. You are in an enclosed space. Dead-end tunnels need forced ventilation, otherwise the air will stagnate. If there is a fire in a dead-end tunnel you become trapped. If someone disables your ventilation and seals the entrances, you're trapped.

Tunnels with ventilation shafts or multiple adits can be even worse. If fire is introduced in one end, the air can be drawn by the fire which turns the tunnel into a blast furnace. This happened in the Caldecott Tunnel an California a while ago. A tank truck filled with gasoline was in an accident and caught fire. Everything upslope of the truck was incinerated. Bin Laden may feel safe from bombs in his little cave. He will not feel safe when fuel is pumped in his ventilation shafts and ignited.

21 posted on 09/29/2001 9:05:57 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: GVgirl

This is a GBU-28 mounted on an F-15 Eagle. Open a hole with one of these and then drop a fuel air bomb into the hole. Oh My!

22 posted on 09/29/2001 9:09:14 PM PDT by blam
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To: Tony in Hawaii
I thought we had sent a group of plumbers after Bin Laden...

LOL! Took me a minute, but I finally got it!

23 posted on 09/29/2001 9:10:17 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: blam
Japanese TV Fuji Television, with its military reporter, filed a story nearly three days ago detailing the arsenal that is going to be deployed, including GBU and other incredible assests and resources. They are in for sheer hell, based on seeing that file footage from Japanese TV the other day.
24 posted on 09/29/2001 9:17:33 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: BigBobber
You know, it strikes me that the best thing we could do is wait and watch with infra-red equipment as the weather turns colder and colder. With each passing day, heat from whatever is below ground will find it's way to escape. As the special forces guys sit patiently watching, they will map every single vent to the surface and then we will have the information to employ all of the destructive weapons mentioned in previous posts.

Whaddayathink?
25 posted on 09/29/2001 9:18:09 PM PDT by 1John
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To: BigBobber
It would be justice.
26 posted on 09/29/2001 9:18:23 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: GVgirl
Why not put our B52s to work? If they are in mountains, or in a mountainous terrain we can bomb the hell out of the mountain, just above the front door of the cave.

Landslides result, then there is no escape.

27 posted on 09/29/2001 9:25:54 PM PDT by super175
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To: GVgirl
The problem with caves/tunnels in Vietnam (or so I've been told) was the jungle around them.

No such jungle in Afghanistan.

28 posted on 09/29/2001 9:27:23 PM PDT by super175
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To: blam
A large tunnel complex must need a large air supply. Even if their air sources are spread over a large area, we only need to find one vent for chemical weapons to be effective. If we just approch the task methodically, as if we were spraying for insects, it shouldn't be too long before those tunnels become a death trap.
29 posted on 09/29/2001 9:27:40 PM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: AmericanInTokyo
"They are in for sheer hell, based on seeing that file footage from Japanese TV the other day."

If it can be seen, they'll definately believe that Allah has come, that's for sure. They are expecting to be fighting 'the other' super power like they did the Soviet Union.

30 posted on 09/29/2001 9:28:25 PM PDT by blam
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To: GVgirl
One thing about their underground fortress...they are in a fixed location and when entrances are sealed they are trapped. It would be cool if we had little ground terrain robots (like that bot war show) packed with explosives that could be sent into these caves by remote control or interactive software. Why do the dirty work when a robot can do it for you?
31 posted on 09/29/2001 9:29:40 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: BigBobber
What would a B52 load of Napalm bombs dropped on the front door of a cave in precision manner do?
32 posted on 09/29/2001 9:30:17 PM PDT by super175
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To: 1John
According to USAToday it is already getting down into the 40's in Kabul. In the mountains it will be much colder.

I wonder if we can locate body heat from space...

33 posted on 09/29/2001 9:36:25 PM PDT by super175
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To: PUGACHEV
"Even if their air sources are spread over a large area, we only need to find one vent for chemical weapons to be effective. If we just approch the task methodically, as if we were spraying for insects, it shouldn't be too long before those tunnels become a death trap."

They surely must have thought of that but, I don't know how they could counter it. The mines will be our biggest problem. No doubt, every vent is mined (...and maybe booby trapped) for miles around. I suppose an antipersonnel bomb could be used to explode the mines before entering the area.

34 posted on 09/29/2001 9:36:36 PM PDT by blam
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To: hc87
Just fill all the caves and tunnels with Amonium Nitrate and Fuel oil, wire it to a triggering device and and stand back.
35 posted on 09/29/2001 9:37:30 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: 1John
I was thinking something similar this morning--eventually they will need supplies and it must be easy for a spy plane to track body heat. But I wonder if Bin Laden is even in Afghanistan now---he's had several weeks to flee to other places where he could just disappear--Kashmir, Pakistan, Chechnyia. If he's out, we're probably in a position to hurt him badly by destroying infrastructure and a cadre of fighters, but much of his network will remain in place.
37 posted on 09/29/2001 9:39:41 PM PDT by hc87
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To: jpthomas
I wonder how many of these terrorist have ever been exposed to a flash bang grenade?
38 posted on 09/29/2001 9:41:15 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: GVgirl
Song Parody: "Hello Mullah, Hello Fatah (Camp Osama)"
39 posted on 09/29/2001 9:42:51 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson
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To: P-Marlowe
We have means to do this but we won't do it. Not politically correct you know. Harvard professors might write books criticizing President Bush .

Better we send in troops . They'll figure something out. Eventually. Just like last time. And the time before that.

40 posted on 09/29/2001 9:44:23 PM PDT by LarryLied
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