The West at War:Meeting the Enemy:We have lots of Nuclear Weapons and

The Sunday Mirror:UK ^ | October 1st, 2001 | The Sunday Mirror:UK

[DAnconia55]

After the incredible attacks of 9-11, is there any doubt that these head cases wouldn't use nukes if they had them?

Yes. Because you're committing an error in logic and tactics.

If I had these weapons, and was in their shoes, I would not use them. At least as the opening salvo.

What if they waited until US forces were on the ground?

What if they waited to use them in a counter attack, not necessarily against us, but some other nation in a design to further destabilize the situation. Say... India, for example.

There are other tactical considerations than merely opening up with your best shot...

[FreedomPoster]

I've been saying since the beginning, we should let it be known to all Middle Eastern governments, that if weapons of mass destruction are used against us on our soil, then Mecca and Medina will immediately become glass parking lots. These people are crazed fanatics and only understand force.

[Vigilanteman]

Agreed. This depends on how many nukes, if any, they actually have. My point is that if they have them, given the events of 9-11, they would not hesitate to use them. Therefore, if they have them, we are perfectly justified in making a pre-emptive strike.

Trivia question-- the U.S. produced four nuclear devices in 1945. One was tested in New Mexico. Two were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. What happend to the 4th?

[1234]

ya think this's why we've heard 'bout no action by U.S.?
NOBODY is asking why we stopped weapons inspections of saddam a few years back!!!!what was it, he threatened trouble or sumptn, if we insisted on inspectin???

[garyhope]

I agree. This is exactly what I think and that this is what Bush should or should have told all of the middle Eastern countries about and then shown them the targeting information on all of their cities and facilities so that they know it's for real.

[garyhope]

Will there still be "peace" demostrators after that? Will they still want to have a "dialog" with the poor misunderstood Islamic fundamentalists? What will the "liberals" say or "feel"?

[Lazamataz]

"This will be the Third World War."

You know what? Deal.

I'd rather see all of humanity exterminated than to see these towel-headed freaks allowed to exist.

[Lazamataz]

I've been saying since the beginning, we should let it be known to all Middle Eastern governments, that if weapons of mass destruction are used against us on our soil, then Mecca and Medina will immediately become glass parking lots.

An airliner filled with fuel IS a weapon of mass destruction. I say we let the missiles fly NOW.

[SevenDaysInMay]

Lest anyone forget, this is a war of annihilation. These bellicose, blaspheming diaperheads need war to distract their sheeple from the doom within their own societies.

This decade will record the largest self-inflicted destruction in human history. Jihadocracies will be proven the worst form of government. The SOBs who started this war 11 September 2001 will perish among the forgotten millions lost in the dust.

They only have a prayer as we should show no mercy. This festering evil must be wiped from the face of our earth.

[WRhine]

We are in regular contact with Osama. I am afraid I cannot tell you when we last spoke to him, but it was in the last few days. Osama is not a terrorist. He is a kind, polite and very religious man. His only wish is for the USA forces to pull out of his beloved Saudi Arabia. I believe he has now left Afghanistan and is living in some other country."

The above already establishes this creep as a liar. Still, we don't know for sure if there is an element of truth in what he says. I sincerely hope GW has the balls to reign nuclear terror on ALL muslim states that support terrorism in the event they make good on their promise. It may be the only way to end this epic evil in this world.

[gwmoore]

The nuclear material for the 4th device was used as "Crossroads Able" I believe. The original casing, electronics, etc., were dissassembled and stored at Roswell, NM until Gen. Curt LeMay came out and raised hell about the non-readiness of the "arsenal" which I believe at that time 1946 was about 11 weapons, stored disassembled.

Close?

Greg

[WRhine]

I've been saying since the beginning, we should let it be known to all Middle Eastern governments, that if weapons of mass destruction are used against us on our soil, then Mecca and Medina will immediately become glass parking lots. These people are crazed fanatics and only understand force.

Agree, but I would include the entire Middle East Region, every last country except Israel and perhaps Jordan. If it comes down to this, we have to get em all because any survivors will come back after us in the decades to come. We didn't start this conflict, they did, and the future existence of the Arab states rests with their ability to shut down their own terrorist networks. Not to do can only signify that they support the actions of THEIR terrorists.

[Loopy]

This thought occurred to me today as I was sitting here and seeing nothing happening:

If you put yourself in Osama's shoes, he really has no legitimate reason to nuke the USA. From a strategic point of view he is better off using the nuke(s) he has in Afghanistan.

Keep in mind his REAL objective isn't killing Americans for the sake of killing Americans. What he wants is a Muslim revolution that turns the clock back to the great Muslim expansion of the middle ages. He wants the west out of the Muslim World. He wants to rid the muslim world of the Kings and so forth that generally are friendly to the West. How does he accomplish this?

Well, he knows that the muslims are generally suspicious and paranoid about the USA and Israel. He knows that while they generally will not join together in a jihad because of local differences/interests, they share one thing above all, namely their religion. It has been said many times that this isn't to be a "war" of Islam v. Christianity, although that is EXACTLY WHAT HE NEEDS if he is to accomplish his goal.

How do nuclear weapons accomplish this? Before moving to that analyze the WTC attack. Why did he do something that big? Something that we could not ignore? The only logical Answer is to draw us out. But why draw us out if the military might of the US and the whole world will end up crushing him? Surely he realizes that in the end he can't beat us by simply picking off even thousands of civilians at a time? He needs to get ISLAM moving against the West. Islam won't move against the west unless it sees itself under attack. As it now stands, it is merely arguable that Islam is under attack.

So, he waits till we start dropping bombs. Then he pops a nuke in Kabul, or Kandahar and blames it on the USA.

The Western World sees that this is nonsense and would naturally rally round the USA. The Islamic world, on the other hand thinks that this is typical Western hatred of Muslims. All of a sudden there is a groundswell of Islamic resolve. 1 Billion Muslims say in unison "See they hate us so badly that they indiscriminately nuke innocent afghans. American lives are worth more than Muslim ones. Islamic revolution sparks in maybe one or two countries where American troops are. Ideally Saudi Arabia, but maybe Pakistan.

USA responds by rushing troops hither and thither trying to cope with something that is now out of control. Meantime more nukes go off this time blowing up americans. This one they take responsibility for saying that it is payback. The US is now in an impossible position. Global Armegeddon or retreat.

Just a scenario, but one that has been bugging me. Comments are welcome.

[Loopy]

I should add that the reason I think he may be inclined to use them on his own people and blame the USA is that if he has Nukes, transporting them here will be very difficult if not impossible. According to other threads I have read, these weapons require immense maintenance to keep them running including teams of materials people. It would be much more efficient to simply use them there where he can keep the weapons up and running without interference from US military and police forces.

Remember that he has been very good at being unpredictable. Why would he oblige us now and act predictably?

[Loopy]

I might also add that his claim that the US nuked first could be bolstered by statement made by Wolfowitz that tactical nukes can't be ruled out and recent reports that all US military units carry tactical nuclear weapons.

[Poohbah]

You're assuming that the US will deploy massive forces. This won't be Desert Storm, a six-month buildup to 500,000 troops in-theater and then one massive Gottdammerung tank battle decides the whole shebang. It will instead be a war of a thousand squad and platoon-sized firefights over a period of years. They COULD use a nuke over there, but they just wouldn't be able to kill that many Americans--it'd kill a lot more of them, and probably convince every one of their neighbors that they need killin'.

[Loopy]

They COULD use a nuke over there, but they just wouldn't be able to kill that many Americans--it'd kill a lot more of them

Maybe that's the point. We know that they are fond of giving their lives for Islam.

[seeker41]

Your scenerio sounds plausible. Yikes, I just heard a AF jet fly at high speed over my house, no sh*t! I know that sound from my years in the USAF.

[Chapita]

Good thinking!