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To: George W. Bush, AnalogReigns, RnMomof7, the_doc, Jerry_M, CCWoody
Recently, Freeper “George W. Bush” posted a strong critique of the Reformed Doctrine of Infant Baptism.

Generally, I consider it unprofitable to engage in divisive arguments concerning sacramental practice when there are far graver matters of heresies against salvationist doctrine itself which have rent the unity of the protestant churches since the days of Arminius and Wesley. Nonetheless, GWB has issued a challenge against the Presbyterian practice of Infant Baptism, and so his arguments shall be answered herein.

Before I begin the formal apologia, I shall turn to “The Basis and Significance of Infant Baptism”, by David A. Sherwood, for my prefaratory remarks:

Colossians 2: 10 – 25 -- And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

The Covenant is Visible and One.

My response to GWB follows hereafter.

2 posted on 10/05/2001 11:02:39 PM PDT by Uriel1975
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To: George W. Bush, AnalogReigns, RnMomof7, the_doc, Jerry_M, CCWoody
Calvin and the Reformers did not get everything right. The Bible indicates three simple steps uniformly: belief in Christ, baptism by immersion, communion with other believers (Lord's Supper). There are no examples of any other procedure.

There are no examples of children of believers growing up and then being baptized, either; but there are a number of household baptisms recorded. So your assertion simply assumes your own conclusion.

In fact, had the blood-letting sign of circumcision continued as the Covenant seal, the Covenantal model we would expect is precisely what we find in the New Testament – conversion of adults, followed by Covenant sealing of their households. We would not imagine that the Church – the “Community of belief” -- which had included infants in the sign of the Covenant for 2,000 years, would suddenly imagine that their children should not be included in the Covenant. And yet such a radical change in Covenantal practice would require a direct Scriptural command specifying the change – yet there is none. Scripture clearly informs us that the Covenantal sacrament has been changed from circumcision to baptism; but there is no instruction whatsoever that Covenant families are now supposed to exclude the infants which had already been included in the Covenant sacrament for some 2,000 years.


Steve Schlissel, Messianic Jewish Presbyter, Messiah’s Congregation, NYC --


The Covenant is Visible and One.

3 posted on 10/05/2001 11:03:10 PM PDT by Uriel1975
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To: Uriel1975
Before you guys settle the question of Infant Baptism once and for all, could you please resolve the issue regarding how many Angels fit on the head of a pin?
13 posted on 10/06/2001 4:49:42 AM PDT by Rum Tum Tugger
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