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To: George W. Bush, AnalogReigns, RnMomof7, the_doc, Jerry_M, CCWoody
Baptism is a public and personal committment to follow Christ and his teachings. In ancient times, baptism as a public confession was a declaration of rebellion to the state which often carried the death penalty. The baptism of believers was often carried out publicly at rivers and bodies of water which were frequented by the populace. Therefore, a public baptism was an affirmation of a belief in Christ to death by execution. The ancient history of the church is pretty consistent in this matter.

Indeed it is consistent on this matter.

Unfortunately for your position, GWB, the early history of the Church is consistent with the Covenantal view of the matter.

The Covenant is Visible and One.

5 posted on 10/05/2001 11:04:17 PM PDT by Uriel1975
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To: George W. Bush, AnalogReigns, RnMomof7, the_doc, Jerry_M, CCWoody
It is fashionable, among Primitive Baptists (“calvinistic anabaptists”), knowing as they do the great antiquity of the Anabaptist Communion, to date the history of their Separation from the Hierarchical communions of Rome and Constantinople to the date of AD 253-254, the date of one of the early Councils of Carthage.

This date is not without some difficulties, as while the Anabaptist Communion is undoubtedly of very great antiquity ("The Baptists are the only body of known Christians that have never symbolized with Rome.” ~~ Sir Isaac Newton), precise dating of the “formation” of the Communion is rendered difficult by the fact that the Anabaptist Communion, wherever it has been found, has always upheld the doctrines of Independence and Separationism.

The doctrine of Local Independence has always ensured that the Elders of any particular AnaBaptist church are independent of any servitude to any “higher echelon” of Elders (though Biblically, even the local AnaBaptist church is rightly governed by a session of multiple Elders, not a single Elder – which is to say, that the proper practice of local congregational governance ought be “presbyterian”, not simply “pastoral”, in form, as much for Baptist congregations as for Presbyterian congregations); and the doctrine of Separationism has always required of AnaBaptist congregations that they “have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness” (Ephesians 5: 11), and accept no communion with those who pervert the Gospel.

So assigning a precise date to the formation of the AnaBaptist Communion is rendered difficult by the fact that this Communion has always been a loose, non-hierarchical grouping of independent congregations. But if Cardinal Hosius’ (president of the Council of Trent) estimate of “twelve centuries” of AnaBaptist Persecution be accepted as accurate…

This would date the existence of the AnaBaptist Communion to at least AD 350.

Nonetheless, the date of AD 253-254, of the Council of Carthage, enjoys certain historical advantages to recommend it, as Baptism was certainly among the major issues pronounced upon by the Council.

Ah, but there’s the rub… the determination of this early Council of Carthage was not upon the question of “infant” Baptism and “believer’s” Baptism, but rather upon the question between two different modes of the Infant Baptism which was the ancient and established sacramental practice of the Church, even at that early date.

The judgment of the assembled 66 bishops at Carthage in AD 253-254 was simply this: that Baptism, which required no blood-letting, did not require a delay until the eighth day after birth for the Sacrament to be performed. The propriety of baptizing the infant children of Believers into the Covenant was assumed as fact; the only question was whether or not the Levitical necessity of delay until the eighth day continued as a sacramental regulation of the seal. As no blood was shed, and thus no danger to the infant was involved, the judgment of Carthage was that no continuation of the Levitical delay was required.

The development of the AnaBaptistic practice of with-holding Baptism from Infants was not even considered among the diverse modes of Baptism found among the Churches of that day.

The Covenant is Visible and One.

6 posted on 10/05/2001 11:05:24 PM PDT by Uriel1975
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