[nmh]

Here's a verse:

1Thes.4

[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

IMHO, this is the most difinitive verse for a pretribber.

Others might see this as more difinitive but I don't. Even though, I'll list it:

Rev.12

[5] And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

I'd be VERY careful in sensationalizing prophecy. There is also a penalty attached to those who add and subtract from the book of Revelation. I suspect there are other penalities, unspoken for other offenses.

[watchin]

You've made the common mistake of thinking that proving the truth of the rapture automatically proves the pre-trib timing of it.

Imagine me proving to you that the rapture was a scriptural reality, and then saying, "There, I've proven the mid-trib rapture". It's really not the same thing, is it?

Let's all work on separating the "what" (which we largely agree on) and the "when" (which was the point of this thread).