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Muslim blames US at Chicago's Largest Church (BARF)
10/06/01 | Dengar01

Posted on 10/06/2001 6:16:58 PM PDT by Dengar01

I just got home from church and I had to post this. I attended Willow Creek church which is north west of Chicago. It is the largest church in the area, it is a non-denominational Christian church, the main auditorium hold 10,000 people and was filled tonight. The topic of the 5:00 service tonight was the interview with a Muslim named Iama Fisal Hammounda, by Senior Pastor Bill Hybels. They will be having three more services between tonight and tomorrow, I pray to God they change their plans for the next services.

I knew this was going to get ugly when the church showed a video on ethnic diversity. I looked around at the church filled to capacity with over 10,000 people and noticed several Muslims.

The inteview started and the man was introduced as a Egyptian who moved here in 1974. He complained that his wife was in Florida and couldn't come home due to the fact that she would be harassed. The goal of Pastor Hybel's interview was to prove that Islam is a peaceful religion, lets just say that he failed, miserabley.

Pastor Hybels did ask some very good questions which surprised me since I thought the Muslim might take the questions as offensive. A few questions statements stood out. The Muslim declared that Islam was peaceful and that the terrorists did not follow Islam, fine I guess. He continued that a "Jihad" had to do with attacking sin he made the poor analogy of declaring a jihad on eating candy.

Continuing Pastor Hybels asked him about martyrs along with the virgins and the streams of wine and the Muslim responded I pray for that to happen. He was truly innappropriate and this is when everything went downhill.

He declared that the terrorists in the US were bad but that the Palestinians were "freedom fighters". Immediately after saying that all the Muslims attending applauded.

After the Muslims were jumping for joy with the Mr. Hammounda's innappropriate remarks, many people got up and walked out disgusted. I stayed to hear his next remarks which stunned me worse than his previous remarks.

He then stated that, "The US is responsible for terrorism"

That is when I walked out.

Fortunately for me to write this my sister and her husband stayed while I was complaining to several people at the Service Desk. The final statement which I was lucky enough to miss finished with Mr. Hammounda saying that Christians and Muslims can be friends, only on Muslims terms.

Yes you heard it the slime being spewed by the left is false. I heard it first hand from this man answering innappropriately while joking about a serious issue. I made the statement that this was unnacceptable for a church and should not be tolerated.

If you agree with me you can FReep the church at:
Willow Creek Community Church
67 E. Algonquin Road
South Barrington, IL 60010
(847) 765-5000
Fax: (847) 765-9222
General e-mail: info@willowcreek.org

Don't worry because the church had many people furious, about 200 people walked out including myself and many people were venting their frustration to people who work at the church. I will be calling the church tomorrow to let them know how I feel.


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1 posted on 10/06/2001 6:16:58 PM PDT by Dengar01
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To: Dengar01
Isn't this the same church that had Clinton come and talk about his "repentance?"
2 posted on 10/06/2001 6:19:29 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
Yes I thought it was the place for me, boy I was wrong. I thought that they got over the Democrat, Liberal thing.
4 posted on 10/06/2001 6:22:51 PM PDT by Dengar01
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To: Dengar01
Methinks you need to find another church.
5 posted on 10/06/2001 6:22:56 PM PDT by pubmom
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To: Dengar01
After the Muslims were jumping for joy

Thus proving that the expression, "Moderate Moslem" is an oxymoron.

6 posted on 10/06/2001 6:24:46 PM PDT by janus
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To: pubmom
Yes I am going to find one tomorrow, ASAP. I really didn't go there often, but it was big and my niece and nephew loved the Sunday school. But after tonight I won't step foot in there again.
7 posted on 10/06/2001 6:25:04 PM PDT by Dengar01
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To: Dengar01
You need to contact Fox news and get this story reported. If anybody has a recording of this it needs to be on TV. Thanks for letting us know about this.
8 posted on 10/06/2001 6:25:32 PM PDT by ao98
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To: Dengar01
You should write to Bill O'Reilly at FOXSNEWS CHANNEL and have him bring that lousy ass pastor on 'the Factor'!!!

Caution: IT IS A NO SPIN ZONE and O'Reilly doesn't take prisoners!!

9 posted on 10/06/2001 6:26:07 PM PDT by Norb2569
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To: ao98
Actually they always video tape the services. Great idea I'll call FOX News now.
10 posted on 10/06/2001 6:26:36 PM PDT by Dengar01
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To: Dengar01
finished with Mr. Hammounda saying that Christians and Muslims can be friends, only on Muslims terms.

Right! As their slaves and servants! Anyone who believes in the holiness of Mohammed is no different than a 'Moony' in my opinion, and Mohammed is no more prophet of God than Tun Sun Moon is.

12 posted on 10/06/2001 6:27:26 PM PDT by smolensk
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To: Dengar01
My "mini church" can beat your "mega church" any day.

Personally, my prayer has been, and will continue to be, "What are You saying, Lord?"

13 posted on 10/06/2001 6:28:10 PM PDT by mombonn
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To: Dengar01
Why would you want to attend a church of that nature unless you ar a masochist?
14 posted on 10/06/2001 6:28:49 PM PDT by RLK
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To: Dengar01
Palestinians "freedom fighters" showing their support for the United States

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15 posted on 10/06/2001 6:30:59 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Dengar01
Walk back in.This is your church.Everyone should have stood and escorted him to the door.
16 posted on 10/06/2001 6:31:08 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: Norb2569
But occasionally Good Ole Bill does get eaten by someone else for lunch, which makes it Fun.

BTW where was JJ, I am sure he can find wheeling from the south side.

17 posted on 10/06/2001 6:31:38 PM PDT by dts32041
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To: Dengar01
That is when I walked out.

Now if you would have sprayed some Anthrax spores at him instead of walking out you would be considered a good canidate for conversion to islam!

18 posted on 10/06/2001 6:32:30 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: mdittmar
I don't mean to be mean but this church has lost it's way!The sooner people see the truth about Islam the better!
19 posted on 10/06/2001 6:32:56 PM PDT by califordubya
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To: Manny Festo
Yes, this flies totally against the 'war on terrorism of global reach' and against the 'you are for us or against us'. THis will obviously make us look like a paper tiger and those extremists already hate America for not letting them drive Israel into the sea. Powell's position is a no-win wrong position. Let's call people who train suicide bomber what they are - terrorists.
20 posted on 10/06/2001 6:34:45 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: Dengar01
They're "freedom fighters" alright....they HATE freedom and will fight anyone and kill anyone LOVES freedom.
21 posted on 10/06/2001 6:34:53 PM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: Norb2569

Just Called FOX News there going to check it out

. They wanted details.
22 posted on 10/06/2001 6:35:01 PM PDT by Dengar01
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To: Diogenesis
Who are the college student looking chicks in the middle pic on the right? They look like Amherst students not Palis.
23 posted on 10/06/2001 6:35:24 PM PDT by Dialup Llama
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To: Born in a Rage
They're "freedom fighters" alright....they HATE freedom and will fight anyone and kill anyone who LOVES freedom.
24 posted on 10/06/2001 6:35:36 PM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: Dengar01
That is when I walked out.

I hope you took your wallet with you.
Just shake the dust of that place off and move on.

Besides, what do you expect of a church that gave Bill Clinton cover with a self-serving
confessional interview?

If you think what you heard was bad, you should have seen Dateline NBC last night.
They had video/audio from the mosque where that Zacahrias fellow (arrested
in Minn. at flight school) had been radicalized and all I can say is "Those Muslims are coming
for you and me!"

Interestingly, when a film crew tried to get tape of the cleric (mullah?) on the sidewalk
at least one of his congregants immediately covered his face!

Why not go back for a later service...but bring plenty of disposable flash cameras and
a video recorder...and see how many of these jeering Muslims will let you document
their little "luv us, kill the infidels" affair at your church.

And please let's have full disclosure: Isn't that church really just
a Baptist Church without "Baptist" in the name?
(I'm not being controversial, but just making checking information that I had on
the place.)
25 posted on 10/06/2001 6:35:41 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Dengar01
it is a non-denominational Christian church

What is a non-denominational Christian church?

Does this mean they agree with all the other denominations on doctrine. If this is the case it would be impossible for such a church to exist since each denomination has slightly different interpretations of the scripture. Look for a church that follows the Bible as you understand it, not as someone told you to interpret it.

26 posted on 10/06/2001 6:36:30 PM PDT by RickyJ
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To: Dengar01
Kumbaya alert needed!
27 posted on 10/06/2001 6:36:58 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: mombonn
Matthew 7:7,8
28 posted on 10/06/2001 6:37:43 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: Dialup Llama
Who are the college student looking chicks in the middle pic on the right?
They look like Amherst students not Palis.


LOL!
Now you know why the head-to-toe covering may not be such a bad idea!
That bunch could pass for the generic faculty of any women's studies program
at any university in the USA!
29 posted on 10/06/2001 6:38:22 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Dengar01
I use to go to a "sister church" of theirs here in Vegas for the same reason. My son loved the sunday school. I quit going when they kissed bj's butt.
30 posted on 10/06/2001 6:39:07 PM PDT by winodog
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To: Dengar01
Apostate politically correct church of Satan.
They got my freep mail.
31 posted on 10/06/2001 6:39:18 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: Dengar01
Well, it appears that the pastor is not aware that everything changed on September 11.

I have bored everyone with my constant references to a book called The Fourth Turning, but I would ask your indulgence again.

The basic theory of the book is that British and Americian history comes in 4 cycles: A High, A Spiritual Awakening, An Unraveling, and a Crisis. These are the four "turnings" of the historical cycle. The last cycle before this one was The Gilded Age, The period 1900-1920, The Roaring 20's, and the Depression/World War II (Crisis).

This was followed by the post-war period (High), The Cultural Revolution of the 60's (Spiritual Awakening...not necessarily Christian, by the way), followed by a loooong Unraveling period. I believe we are now in the Crisis.

In their book, the authors point out that the hallmark of a true Fourth Turning crisis is a rapid shift in public attitude, from that of personal fulfillment to that of national unity and sacrifice, with an emphasis on survival skills, patriotism, honesty, responsibility, and other traditional values.

Almost everyone has remarked upon the change in attitude in the country. Those who can adapt to the new requiremnets of society will do just fine. Those who are still stuck in the past will be left by the wayside. This pastor will be one who is unable to cope with the new nation created September 11.

The authors have a website for anyone who wants to know more about their book and theory. Here is the link:

The Fourth Turning

32 posted on 10/06/2001 6:39:34 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Dengar01
That's great. If you know anybody with access to the recording equipment, see if you can get a copy. Lie, say that it was so moving that you want a copy. When the church relizes that this recording could make Islam look bad they might destroy it.
33 posted on 10/06/2001 6:39:44 PM PDT by ao98
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To: Dengar01
You go to an Apostate church. Bush is an apostate because he does the same things (jumping from mosque to mosque with his shoes off, having them come to the WH and Natl Cathedral to pray, calling them peaceful, implying Allah is Jehova).

Trust me. The goal of EVERY Mohammedan is that the USA adopt Sharia, or, Islamic Law. They CANNOT seperate church and state. It is victory or nothing for them, and they are 100% convinced they are going to win this country for "allah".

They WILL win if we keep on appeasing them.

34 posted on 10/06/2001 6:40:56 PM PDT by GuillermoX
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To: califordubya
That's not mean.I was married for 5 years,it was the happiest 6 months of my life!
35 posted on 10/06/2001 6:41:03 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: Dengar01
Here's another bunch of people that need to be deported. How many terrorists are they harboring? We may never know, but we should head them off at the pass and purge them.
36 posted on 10/06/2001 6:43:13 PM PDT by Hillary 666
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To: Miss Marple
Almost everyone has remarked upon the change in attitude in the country. Those who can adapt to the new requiremnets of society will do just fine. Those who are still stuck in the past will be left by the wayside.

Bye bye, political correctness. It hasn't been nice.
GOD blessed America once more! The liberal Satan has been defeated!

37 posted on 10/06/2001 6:44:25 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: GuillermoX

I am not a member of the church.

I had no idea how bad and PC this church was until today. I only went about 5 times like I said my niece and nephew loved the Sunday school.

But I will never step foot in there again ever... although they do sell recordings of the event in the bookstore. Why don't you guys check out the site at www.willowcreek.org

38 posted on 10/06/2001 6:46:00 PM PDT by Dengar01
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To: GuillermoX
Bush is an apostate

Oh great. A gore cultist.

39 posted on 10/06/2001 6:46:29 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: Dengar01
If you agree with me you can FReep the church at:

Yes, let's FReep the church because the Muslim interviewee showed himself to be exactly what all the PC folks have said Muslims are not. It sounds as though the outcome of the meeting was exactly the way you would have hoped it to have gone. What's the problem? You should be FReeping the church if you're a liberal disappointed that the myth of Islam being a religion of peace, brotherhood, and tolerance was disproven at that meeting.
40 posted on 10/06/2001 6:47:19 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Dengar01
He complained that his wife was in Florida and couldn't come home due to the fact that she would be harassed.

What is it with Florida and these people?

If they're that afraid for their safety, they should go back to where they came from. Oh, I forgot, it's more fun to stay here to whine about how they're picked on and subvert the country.

41 posted on 10/06/2001 6:47:35 PM PDT by Hillary 666
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To: Dengar01
It's ok. You're not the target. The church that harbored the enemy is.
42 posted on 10/06/2001 6:48:04 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: Dengar01
Did this guy get out of there in one piece ? Because I tell you in my church he would have gotten his jaw knocked loose...church or no church....we lost 7 parishioners on 9/11.
43 posted on 10/06/2001 6:50:17 PM PDT by culpeper
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To: Hillary 666
What is it with Florida and these people?

Florida? Well, it seems they'd be happy with their own kind in Palm Beach. They can help count.

44 posted on 10/06/2001 6:50:58 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: all
Man, virtually all of you are looking at what went on there in entirely the wrong way--the Muslim guy showed himself to be what all the PC folks say is a mistake to believe him to be. In other words, your suspicions of the character of Islam were substantiated in SPADES by this guy and yet you're complaining about it. That is just too rich. Which side are you on anyway?
45 posted on 10/06/2001 6:51:43 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Dengar01
Get your video quick, before it undergoes PC editing. :)
46 posted on 10/06/2001 6:52:16 PM PDT by Letitring
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To: culpeper
Did this guy get out of there in one piece ? Because I tell you in my church he would have gotten his jaw knocked loose...church or no church....we lost 7 parishioners on 9/11.

All the conservative folks left before he was done me included. My sister and her husband stayed to hear the rest of what the slime had to say. My sister is looking through phone books to find this guy to call him up and B@tch, before she leaves my house. The problem with media is I seriously doubt any of the PC Press out here will report it except maybe the Chicago Tribune. I let FOX know and they are on to it, hopefully, and I will email O'Reilly.

47 posted on 10/06/2001 6:54:55 PM PDT by Dengar01
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To: Dengar01
Sounds like Willow Creek is a good candidate for belonging to the NCC, if it doesn't already.
48 posted on 10/06/2001 7:00:17 PM PDT by E=MC<sup>2</sup>
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To: aruanan
No, you are misunderstanding this. It is not like the pastor stood up and disagreed with the Muslim cleric, and poiinted out the error of his ways. No, this is the same church that gave Bill Clinton a touchy-feely Oprahesque interview so that everyone could understand how bad he felt, even though he didn't do anything wrong and after all it wasn't his fault, anyway.

The pastor was trying to get everyone to be sympathetic the the Muslim, and 5 years ago everyone would have sat in the congregation and listened politely while he made all these asinine comments.

But things have changed, and the PC pulpit is going the way of the dinosaur. I will bet there is a HUGE uproar over this, and I will bet members get a "letter of explanation" with lots of backtracking, although the pastor will say that he FEELS like its important to UNDERSTAND these people. Less than an abject apology and I would be organizing a congregational revolt!!

49 posted on 10/06/2001 7:05:54 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Dengar01
They appear to have their own bookstore. I'd guess that's where you'd buy the tape. Their number is (847) 765-6222.
50 posted on 10/06/2001 7:07:00 PM PDT by Tree of Liberty
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