Muslim blames US at Chicago's Largest Church (BARF)

10/06/01 | Dengar01

[gusopol3]

What we may be experiencing here is God reaching out to people who have been impenetrable to the gospel for centuries. Just as the fall of the Soviet Union opened the door for missionary activity in regions not previously open to the word, so a careful discernment now may enable Moslems questioning their faith for the first time, to escape from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of heaven. If somehow, despite appearances, this could have been the pastor's intent, it would be in line with Paul's intent to "be all things to all people, that by any means some may be saved." I would hope and pray that Moslems like Hazma01 would recoil from their religion and seek the saviour. "Upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it."

[irish_lad]

I just sent an email on your behalf. The bastard should resign from the church and issue a formal apology to all Americans.

[pgkdan]

May I suggest that you find another church? That place doesn't seem fit for a decent Freeper.

[Don Joe]

"My sister is looking through phone books to find this guy to call him up and B@tch, before she leaves my house."

Don't let her do that, she'll get arrested for a hate crime. Seriously.

[Dengar01]

Thank you, I am not a member and don't plan on going there ever again, unless I can get ahold of the bookstore to buy a copy of the interview which all FReepers should here. If the American public heard this interviewed they would go ballistic. The PC Police have got to go, and the real Christian Community need to stand up to the apostates.

God Bless,

Dengar01

[Don Joe]

"And I, for one, will not commit idolatry by showing any respect to this pagan mood god."

I gotta wonder if in islamic countries, they put crosses on their outhouse doors? :)

On a lighter note, the ugly truth -- that little by little is forcing its way out of the recesses of "the unthinkable" -- is that it's only a question of time (and a few more attacks) before the gov't takes the detention camps out of mothballs and puts the entire class that serves as cover for the radical islamists under lock and key.

[Miss Marple]

Yes, we agree!! Amazing, but true!!

Personally, I think most people instinctively know that this is wrong, but many are too timid to stand up to a pastor.

But things have changed over the last few weeks. I will bet that if he tried to get Clinton to come back, there would be a revolt in the congregation.

I will tell you that I once left a mainline denomination with some other people and started a splinter church because we had a pastor that insisted that Jesus had girlfriends! I do not like the pulpit used for anything but preaching the Gospel, and I resent the attempts to inflict lame sociological claptrap on congregatiions. Because pastors speak with the authority of the pulpit, they often intimidate people and I think this is wrong, wrong, wrong.

[He Rides A White Horse]

I knew this was going to get ugly when the church showed a video on ethnic diversity.

Can you say 'New Age' = 'Old Hat'?............move along, nothing to see here.

[mrustow]

Excepting the usual double-speak about "jihad," I'm surprised they were as open as they were. But that's America, for you. There's another thread based on a (Newsweek/MSNBC?) article about how Muslims, including so-called Palestinians, are being EMBRACED, following 911. These characters have nothing but contempt for us. A Christian friend currently working in an Arab country wrote back the other day, that the Muslims think of themselves as the master race, and that local imams have declared that suicide bombing IS o.k.

[mrustow]

P.S. I suspect that your "pastor" may have confused The Communist Manifesto and The Wretched of the Earth with the Old Testament and New Testament.

[father_elijah]

Hey Stupid... Allah simply means God in Arabic. Christians in Arabia-- who've been Christians longer than Christians anywhwere else in the world-- call God, Allah, and call Jesus the son of Allah. Kind of like the French call God Dieu, and the Germans call him Gott.

All of the Christians in Saudi Arabia were put to death by the Muslims or forced to convert at the end of a sword. To which Christians in which part of Arabia are you referring? I am afraid you will find the oldest groups of Christians in Iraq, Jordan, Syria, and the Holy Land use Syriac or Aramaic in their Holy Qurbana or Divine Liturgy when speaking to God or about God.

[Keyes For President]

Find a different church. A church is supposed to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ, not politics and certainly not apologetics for a different gospel such as Islam.

[mrustow]

Sounds like Willow Creek is a good candidate for belonging to the NCC, if it doesn't already.

Excellent observation. In fact, I'll bet the directive for this "Multiculutral Understanding Night" came straight from national headquarters.

[mrustow]

The following link is to the thread I mentioned:

U.S. Seeks to Kill Muslims with Kindness

[FITZ]

As for this dumb s.o.b. in the article who blames the US for terrorism, he deserves a serious beating. He is an embarrassment to our community, and you are right to chastise him.

I believe there are good Muslims who are good as individuals and they believe in tolerance and peace and freedom of religion but the religion seems to have no oversight, no way to excommunicate so apparently bin Laden and all the killers are Muslims in good standing. Maybe you all need a pope or something so you can redefine who is and who isn't a real Muslim and people can't go so far out.

[HangFire]

Bump!

[Mercuria]

Looking for a church, HangFire? **g**

[MissAmericanPie]

Dengar01, I wish you all the best in finding another church. The harlot spirit spoken of in Proverbs 7 is here in many, many, churches in these last days.

It has come to the point that you have to double check everything preached against scriptures to see if it jives. I admire your restraint in just getting up and walking out. You might remind your preacher that only one can be telling the truth, Jesus, or the other, if he believes that Jesus is telling the truth, then ask him why he would invite an anti-christ to speak to the church.

[Stefan Stackhouse]

It is too bad that they didn't use this opportunity to educate their members by telling them that the vast majority of people in this country of middle-eastern background are actually Christians rather than Muslims. Christians who have come here for refuge, having fled the pure hell of life in a Moslem society. These people are our friends and our brothers in Christ. They need our understanding, sympathy, prayers, respect, and help. It is all too easy for uninformed and thoughtless Americans, in a moment of rage, to fail to see any difference between middle-eastern people who are Moslems and those who are Christians. These brothers and sisters need our help right now, and possibly even our protection.

Hybels missed a very important opportunity to be genuinely useful for the work of Christ's Church. While Christians are supposed to love our neighbors, we have a special and higher obligation to first love our brothers and sisters in Christ. He just plain got his priorities wrong, and as a minister of the gospel, he of all people should have known better.

[cookcounty]

"Frankly, the sharia is a perversion of the Koran."

Maybe so, but a wildly popular perverion in major parts of the world, and its Islamic opponents have been pathetically inarticulate.