And the goal of every Muslim is not the adoption of Sharia law in the US. Frankly, the sharia is a perversion of the Koran.
As for this dumb s.o.b. in the article who blames the US for terrorism, he deserves a serious beating. He is an embarrassment to our community, and you are right to chastise him.
As for the separation of church and state-- the Koran commands Muslims to obey the laws of the society in which they live
That's really rich. Although you have only been with FR since Sept.14, 2001, surely you have figured out that most of us don't buy that line.
Koran, Haddith, ayatollahs, mullahs, imams, Wahhabis, and all of it added together equals a pack of lies dressed in hell-fire.
Allah is not the same God Christians pray to. Using your logic, Krishna is the same as Jehova because he is "god" to Hindus.
Like I said, ask a Mohammedan if they want to see the USA become an Islamic State, they will say yes.
Mohammedans cannot seperate church and state. That is clear.
All of the Christians in Saudi Arabia were put to death by the Muslims or forced to convert at the end of a sword. To which Christians in which part of Arabia are you referring? I am afraid you will find the oldest groups of Christians in Iraq, Jordan, Syria, and the Holy Land use Syriac or Aramaic in their Holy Qurbana or Divine Liturgy when speaking to God or about God.
I believe there are good Muslims who are good as individuals and they believe in tolerance and peace and freedom of religion but the religion seems to have no oversight, no way to excommunicate so apparently bin Laden and all the killers are Muslims in good standing. Maybe you all need a pope or something so you can redefine who is and who isn't a real Muslim and people can't go so far out.
Maybe so, but a wildly popular perverion in major parts of the world, and its Islamic opponents have been pathetically inarticulate.
The guest was introduced as Dr. Hassan Hathout author of Reading the Muslim Mind and a spokesman for the Los Angeles Islamic Center of Southern California. This is the exchange as I transcribed it from the radio.
Question asked by “Ken” from Nevada:
Ken: “Is Islam in conflict with the US Constitution? Specifically, does the Koran instruct the faithful to strive for Islamic rule of law or government under Islamic rule of law? The fundamental question is this: Is the goal of Muslims Islamic rule of the world?"
Hathout: “For the last question, no it is not. As for the American constitution, I wish deep from my heart if all Muslim countries would take the American constitution for their constitution and live the democracy which is the essence of true Islam.”
Dr. Laura: “And take that Ken. Thank you. Did you have a follow-up or are you happy about that?”
Ken: “Well does the Koran instruct the faithful to strive for Islamic rule of law?”
Hathout: “No that’s when you are a Muslim community. If you are a Muslim community, you are required to judge your affairs… and in the Koran there is a verse that says that people of the torah should rule [unintelligible] should rule themselves with it and the people of the gospel should rule themselves with it and if you are just a Muslim majority nation, you are required by Islam to apply the Islamic law.”
Dr Laura: “However if you live in the United States of America?”
Hathout: "I belong in the law of the land. And that’s what Islam tells me."
Dr. Laura: "And that’s what Judaism tells us too."
After hearing this I returned to my Encyclopedia Britannica (1992) section on Islam and reread the material on Jihad. This is what it said:
Because the mission of the community is to “enjoin good and forbid evil” so that “there is no mischief and corruption on earth,” the doctrine of jihad, in view of the constitution of the community as the power base, is the logical outcome. For the early community it was a basic religious concept. Jihad, or holy war, means an active struggle using armed force whenever necessary. The object of jihad is not the conversion of individuals to Islam but rather the gaining of political control over the collective affairs of societies to run them in accordance with the principles of Islam. Individual conversions occur as a byproduct of this process when the power structure passes into the hands of the Muslim community.
I think the conclusions are clear. If and when Muslims are in the majority, they will use the power of the vote to conform our laws with Islamic law. This is what our leaders are ignoring. However "moderate" Muslims in America may seem, their religion recognizes no separation between church and state and is therefore fundamentally inconsistent with our political principles -- indeed with all of Western civilization. If America continues the open door immigration policy we may find that it is our political and religious principles that are merely "tolerated" by a Muslim majority while they pursue Islamic rule.