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It's too late to unravel the true story of OKC now. Too many people have put their reputations on the line. Too many FBI agents were complicit. Too many news reporters and editors are complicit.

The clinton years were unspeakably horrible--not just for what clinton did, but for what the media and the politicians were willing to defend, and the voters to vote for.

Pray God it never happens again.

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Connection between Nichols, global terrorists alleged McVeigh's defense floated the theory that could come up in second bomb trial Kevin Flynn; Rocky Mountain News Staff Writer Denver Rocky Mountain News LOCAL; Ed. F; Pg. 5A June 19, 1997, Thursday

Did Terry Nichols meet with international terrorists in the Philippines?

But McVeigh investigators turned up an alleged statement from Edwin Angeles, a jailed Filipino terrorist, that he met Nichols in 1992 or early 1993 at a meeting on the island of Mindanao. Also at the meeting, Angeles said, was Ramzi Yousef, the accused mastermind of the World Trade Center bombing.

That suggestion by Timothy McVeigh's defense team could be raised in the weeks leading up to Nichols trial, expected to begin in Denver after Labor Day.

McVeigh's defense tried to build a case that he was a fall guy for international terrorists. But Denver U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch barred such testimony from his trial, which ended Friday in a death sentence for the convicted Oklahoma City bomber. The murky questions of Nichols' travels to the Philippines - and whom he met with there - are not expected to become a major part of his trial.

For prosecutors, it opens a dark area in which the answers aren't yet clear. For the defense, it would drag Nichols deeper into allegations of a broad conspiracy.

Nichols' attorneys have said their client's only overseas link is his search for a mail-order bride in the Philippines.

But McVeigh investigators turned up an alleged statement from Edwin Angeles, a jailed Filipino terrorist, that he met Nichols in 1992 or early 1993 at a meeting on the island of Mindanao. Also at the meeting, Angeles said, was Ramzi Yousef, the accused mastermind of the World Trade Center bombing.

Angeles claimed the meeting centered on bombing activities, providing firearms and ammunition and training in bomb making, McVeigh's lawyers told the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals in March.

Abdul Hakim Murad, Yousef's co-defendant in an airline bombing conspiracy trial in New York last year, allegedly told a jail guard on the day of the Oklahoma City bombing that the ''Liberation Army'' was responsible for it.

Investigators for McVeigh also claimed to have information that an arms dealer for the Moro National Liberation Front had visited Nichols in the Philippines. The Moro front is seeking autonomy for Mindanao under an Islamic government.

McVeigh's defense also noted that Nichols telephoned two members of the anti-government group Posse Comitatus in Kansas in 1994.

Members of that group had traveled to New York and met with an Iraqi diplomat around the time of the Gulf War in 1991.

The McVeigh defense wanted to build a case that the bombing could have been sponsored by a foreign state, possibly Iraq.

Dennis Mahon, an Oklahoma racist named by an informant as having discussed blowing up federal buildings before the bombing, admitted receiving regular payments from Iraqi sources for about four years. The payments ended a month after the bombing.

Nichols' attorney, Michael Tigar, has scoffed at any attempts to tie his client to the shadowy underground of terrorists hinted at by McVeigh's team.

"It's too late to unravel the true story of OKC now. Too many people have put their reputations on the line. Too many FBI agents were complicit. Too many news reporters and editors are complicit."

In other words, we just need to move along. That's a nice concept to promote Justice for All. Except maybe just a few who hang together. Game the system, so to say.

I know, Pragmatism/Realism is Real Life.

But some of us don't believe in that. Too many windmills that need to be attacked, right?

Good post. And 100% correct in my opinion. Bill Clinton knew those two boobs didnt blow up the bldg themselves. He saw a chance to score one against the Right and took it. That, IMHO is how the press, the FBI and OK law enforcement became complicit; by knowing there was more to the story and not pursuing it. Because Bill Clinton said so. I will never be convinced Clinton didnt know. And didnt act because it benefitted him politically to do nothing.