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To: Zviadist
No, but it does put to lie the idea that American muddling and empire-building does not have consequences.

Pure BS. We were checking another attempt by the Soviet Union to reach the Indian Ocean via expansion. They tried it through Iran in the 1950s, and we blocked that one too. The Soviet Union overthrew the previous Constitutional, pro-Western government in Afghanistan in 1976 and replaced it with a violent Marxist regime. We aided those who resisted that Marxist regime.

As to what kind of 'aid' the Carter administration gave to the rebels, it surely was not effective. By 1983, the rebels were all but beaten --- driven deep into the mountains with the Soviets holding every city in the country. That is when the Reagan administration stepped in and gave the Soviet Union the biggest pain in the ass that they ever had and one that contributed significantly to the downfall of the Evil Empire. It was a good thing. It may well have helped save the world from nuclear holocaust.

Is your view of Geo Politics that we should always mind our own business and let the chips fall where they may. If so, you are a fool. The rest of the world pays very much attention to what we do and who we support, and at least half the world hates us, our system, our way of life, our freedom and our very existence. They do not hate us because of what we do. They hate us for who we are --- free, prosperous, happy people. If we 'do nothing' we will be destroyed by those haters.

As to ‘muddling’, (meddling?) you're damn right we meddle. If we ever stop, we're dead. As to Empire --- exactly where in the hell is the American Empire? Who are our subjects? And if we have this huge Empire, why don’t we get them to pay some taxes instead of us paying them? Even the Romans figured that one out. It’s a no-brainer if we were an Empire.

I’m tired of this crap. Your insinuation that somehow every problem that befalls the world is the fault of America is another damn Marxist lie. It’s time we started calling it that every time one of the fellow travelers or a ‘useful idiot’ who has no conception of how the world works begins to spout it. .

The United States, and our foreign policy, have saved 100s of millions of people around the world from the misery and poverty of toleration despots. We ain’t perfect, but we’re the best there is or ever was.

Freedom ain’t Free.

45 posted on 10/08/2001 3:10:48 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: Ditto

The United States, and our foreign policy, have saved 100s of millions of people around the world from the misery and poverty of toleration despots. We ain’t perfect, but we’re the best there is or ever was.

Alright, dude. Just keep believing that. Don't cancel your subscription to the Weekly Standard. You'd be lost without it.

48 posted on 10/08/2001 3:14:27 PM PDT by Zviadist
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To: Ditto
You sound like the type who believes that the US won both WWI and WWII and brought the idea of democracy to Europe, without which Europe would still be in the Dark Ages. Am I wrong? I hope so.
60 posted on 10/08/2001 3:32:24 PM PDT by NewAmsterdam
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To: Ditto
"As to Empire --- exactly where in the hell is the American Empire? Who are our subjects? And if we have this huge Empire, why don’t we get them to pay some taxes instead of us paying them?"

The British, Soviets and Romans had an empire and made no bones about it. The US is the only country that runs an Empire but kids itself that it doesn't.

An Empire doesn't require taxation of the subjects. The British didn't tax all of their subjects.

It involves control. Most Latin American countries have to do what the US says because of the consequences of disobeying. Saudi Arabia and many Oil Muslim states are American protectorates. Look at what happened to the Serbs for merely trying to retain the integrity of their country.

67 posted on 10/08/2001 3:38:30 PM PDT by Marduk
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To: Ditto
Several misconceptions here:

1.Don't link Americans with American foreign polcy. They are two separate and distinct entities. For the most part Americans are highly idealistic and moral. American foreign policy is driven by an entirely different set of standards. Much of the time it does not serve the interest of US citizens or the people that the policy experts pretend to help. For example, no rational American citizen would agree to the US policy which overthrew the elected governments in Slovokia, Hungary or Belarussia in order to install Communists(now called capitalists)

2.There is one precept that should distinquish a moral peoples from the "other": The ends do not justify the means!! Give up that concept and then you have no right to claim moral superiority.

3.Brzezinski justifies using good terrorists(at that time) against bad ones. What most good citizens should see is that he was happy to kill Russian boys because they had oppressive rulers. Does not any one in the US realize that the Russian Bolsheviks acted worse than Hitler to their own citizens?

4.Do you not know that the power and the finance for all of the Communist subjugation came from New York and the traitors in our government?

99 posted on 10/08/2001 4:56:37 PM PDT by GROUCHOTWO
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