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Posted on 10/09/2001 3:19:08 PM PDT by Humidston
Some of the posters remind me of those peaceniks marching in the streets. Mighty interesting how some people take offense to this message.I’m no peacenik and have never marched, protested, or otherwise opposed any war we have fought, but this:
Moslems are hate-mongers and Islam is a hate-filled religion. Now is the time to destroy them both, with nuclear fire if need be.Is every bit as hateful as its targets are. We have little room for idiots if we are going to win this fight, and the simplistic solution of “nuclear fire” seems the only one that some people can grasp. It would not leave the world a better place. It would destroy them, but leave us in their place.
patent +AMDG
If I happen to run into one that is a clear and present danger, I will sincerely love him while folding him neatly into four equal pieces. None of us asked for this enemy, nor did we earn them, I see no point in engaging people in conversation who, because you are an infidel, feel they do God a favor by lying to you, or killing you. In fact it is written in scriptures that those that kill you will think they do God a service.
I'd say the odds are not all that high....only 1 in 365...
The "moderates" may be sincere, but in Western nations, they serve the radicals well by presenting the peaceful side while the jihadists infiltrate with their bloody scimitars.
In any event, we cannot allow ourselves to be blinded into a GROUP HUG any longer. We must be vigilant or we will perish! It is my hope that we can digest information such as presented by this professor, so that we may be better armed against this tyranny that threatens our very freedom.
I believe you are right. Do the following letters and numbers mean anything to you? WWIII.
I believe is that Islam is a valid religion created by God for the salvation of souls. Valid religions are created by God to suit different temperaments. Each and every religion created by God goes through ebbs and flows of proper adherence by people
I ask you to review Rev 1:1- Rev 3:22 wherein the Bible specifically speaks to the shortcomings of all churches but one - the Church in Philadelphia.
Now I believe in one church, one God - I'll grant you that. BUT I hold no court with a belief that promotes killing or destroying another religion or race in order to promote my own. My God issues a clear message to me - There are false doctrines and I will be held accountable if I choose to follow a false doctrine.
Since the beginning of time there have been savage "religions" demanding grotesque actions of its devotees, but those demands (IMO) simply display what's at the heart of their evil and godless doctrine.
I hope I understood your concept. If not, I'd be happy to listen..... WHEN I return next Monday night. ;-)
How about WWIII, IV, V, all rolled into one? Yep. I hear you!
It tends to make your argument moot. Perhaps you, nay all of us should study what the Koran says before we make such judgements.
My limited study of Islam indeed tends to agree with what this "scholar" has written. Just as it is the goal of Christianity to bring its message of salvation round the world it is the goal of Islam to bring all to the worship of Allah (btw who is also the God of Abraham)to the entire world.
The only difference is that Mohammed did teach that war (Jihad), violence, and the killing of non-believers is not only acceptable but rewarded.
You know the author of this article wrote it with suggestions on how to react to Islam and no where did he suggest any violence as one of those suggestions. I don't know why you would even want to take issue with his "scholarly study" of Islam as he wants to respond to them with "love".
Personally, I believe we are in a fight for our very existence and I want to defeat them in the same manner they are bringing the battle to us; violently and with swift retribution.
BUMP !!!
First a question: what were Christians doing when their religion was around 1000 years old? Answer: they were on the Crusades ( bin Laden is fond of bringing it up like the Crusades happened yesterday. The Crusaders were Christian extremists.
The point: whether these extremists believe it of themselves, they are doing right now what they condemn the West for doing long ago; Crusading.
I just hope it doesn't take another 1000 years before their religion matures enough to condemn any form of extremism.
Alla is not the I AM. God is the Way and the Truth and the Life, He is the divine author of His Word, the Bible. He is not generic, He's the One. I say this with the strongest of convictions based on logic if you can't handle it by faith. Try this: The Bible says it's God's Word. Jesus says that He and the Father are One. Jesus claimed to be God. That leaves a person with two options, He is who he says He is, or he's a liar....He can't be a "nice prophet" because "nice prophets" don't lie. It's an all or nothing deal. The Bible either is God's Word or it's a fake. In my opinion, if God's big enough to create the earth (assuming one believes He is Who He says He is) He's big enough to get His point across to us however he deems.
I am copying and pasting from another note that JB sent which points out the differences in Islam and Christianity and says it much better than I could. Again, pardon if this is jumbled, I'm limping along without my coach who had the nerve to leave town after posting this thread!
Where's your mom when you need her??
Former Post from JB below:
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
The terrorist attack on the United States has thrust Islam into the world spotlight. On the one hand are the radical extremists within Islam who consider the U.S. an enemy of Allah and who are willing to die for their cause. On the other extreme are the more moderate Muslims who adhere to the five pillars of the Islamic faith but have not (yet) embraced the Jihad-or Holy War-against America. Between these two extremes lie millions of Muslims with varying degrees of commitment to Allah and his Prophet, Mohammed.
Sadly, some Americans have embarrassed and disgraced our country by responding with hatred and even violence toward the non-militant Muslim community. This is wrong, plain and simple. The love of Christ compels us to reach out to American Muslims in a spirit of compassion and patriotism. It is extremely important to realize that not all Muslims are radical, hate-mongering extremists.
Having said that, however, it would be equally tragic to naively assume that Christianity holds any common ground whatsoever with even the most moderate elements of the Islamic faith. Unfortunately, in an effort to keep from appearing "unloving," some people, such as television analysts and community leaders, are putting forth the erroneous idea that Christianity and Islam are really just two different ways of arriving at the same conclusion. You say, "Allah." I say, "Yahweh." "What's the difference?" they say. Make no mistake...there is a HUGE difference.
Without apology to the Muslim community, it must be stated unequivocally that the teachings of Mohammed in the Koran are wrong. If Jesus Christ is the Son of God, as I believe He is, and if the Bible is God's inerrant Word, as I believe it is, than Mohammed's teaching must be rejected as an alternate source of Truth. Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." Let's compare this statement with Mohammed's teaching in the Koran.
For Muslims, the WAY to eternal salvation is not found in the redemptive work of Jesus who purchased salvation for a lost and hopeless mankind. Rather, Islam teaches that one gains access into Paradise by keeping the five pillars of the Islamic faith. These are: First, the Kalima (The Creed). This must be stated loudly and publicly in order to become a Muslim and must be repeated often every day. The creed says, "There is no God but Allah, and Mohammed is the Prophet of Allah." The second pillar is Salat (Prayer). Muslims are required to pray to Allah five times each day. The third pillar is Zakat (Almsgiving). Muslims are required to give at least one-fortieth of their income to the poor. The fourth pillar is Ramadan (The Fast). Muslims must fast every day during the holy month of Ramadan from sunup to sundown. The fifth pillar is Hajj (The Pilgrimage). In order to gain entrance into Paradise, all Muslims are required to make the pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in their lifetimes. For the infirm or disabled who are unable to make this trip, someone must be recruited to make it for them.
Thus, the Muslim religion is a simple, works-based method of salvation. Indeed, Muslims believe that every Muslim has two angels watching over them at all times. One angel records your good deeds in a book and the other angel records your evil deeds in a separate book. Upon death, entrance into Paradise is a simple matter of mathematics! Furthermore, a sixth supplemental pillar of the faith for Muslims is the Jihad. According to the Koran, when the situation warrants, men are required to go to war to spread Islam or defend it against infidels. One who dies in a Jihad is exempt from these books of works and is guaranteed eternal life in Paradise. It is this battle cry of Mohammed that the terrorists in the recent attacks on the U.S. have answered.
By contrast, for the Christian, the WAY to eternal salvation is simple faith in the Savior who died in our place at Calvary to pay our penalty for sin.
For Muslims, the TRUTH, upon which they base their pillars of faith is limited to the writings of Mohammed from the early seventh century AD. While Muslims acknowledge their own version of the Jewish Torah and the Davidic Psalms and the Gospel of Jesus, these versions are quite different from the historical Torah, Psalms and Gospels. Furthermore, the Koran supercedes the teaching off these other three inspired works anyway. What Mohammed says, goes! It is interesting to note that Mohammed at first rejected his own "vision," which later became the Koran, as being from a demonic source! It was only after his wife convinced him to write it down that it became the revered holy book of Islam. For the Christian, the Truth is God's Word-which dates from 1500 years before Christ. Though Mohammed says that Jesus never died and resurrected, God's Word proclaims both His death and victorious resurrection. Though Mohammed says that Jesus is not the Son of God, God's Word proclaims Jesus to be the Son, and God to be the Father. Though Mohammed rejects the Trinity and the deity of Christ, God's Word affirms these fundamental truths.
For the Muslim, LIFE is no more than a rigid devotion to a capricious, far-removed and impersonal God. Indeed, the Arabic word Islam means "submission, surrender, and commitment." By contrast, the Christian LIFE is about a relationship with the risen Savior. It is about good news, not depressing and impossible requirements.
Is there a difference between Christianity and Islam? Absolutely. Islam offers no hope of eternal life in Paradise because such hope is based on one's ability to reach an impossible standard of perfect righteousness through one's own good works. Christianity offers the only hope of eternal life in Paradise because we have a Savior who paid the price for us and offers salvation as a gift to anyone who will simply receive it!
As the spotlight continues to shine on the Islamic community in the weeks and months ahead, let us remember to love our fellow-Americans from the Muslim community while at the same time being careful to maintain the distinction between the true Way, Truth and Life and that of the Koran.
Of course Abraham also had a wife Sarah who gave birth to Isaac. And the story (Genesis) of how Abraham was to sacrifice Isaac and at the last moment God spared Isaac and allowed Abraham to sacrifice a ram instead has lead to the Jewish and Christian practice of circumcision. Abraham is also considered the spiritual father of anyone who converts to Judaism. At a Jewish conversion ceremony, a convert is given a Hebrew name and is called a 'child of Abraham our father’.
According to the Catholic Encyclopedia Volume 1 (1999, Kevin Knight, online version), in the New Testament, the generation of Jesus Christ is traced back to Abraham by St. Matthew. According to the A Concise Encyclopedia of Christianity by Geoffrey Parrinder (Oneworld Publications 1998), Abraham is a great Hebrew patriarch and is considered the common spiritual father of the Abrahamic religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Paul wrote of all those who have faith being children of Abraham (Gal. 3:7). According to Luke 16:22, Jesus spoke of Abraham's bosom as a symbol of Paradise.
And the lineage of Mary and Joseph can be traced to that of Isaac and Abraham.
My point was not a religious one, but rather on of historical lineage. From Abraham came Islam and Judaism and from Judaism came Christianity. While Christians believe that Jesus the Christ is indeed the son of God (a faith that I ascribe to) Muslims recognize Jesus as a Prophet as they do Abraham and Ismael as well as Mohammed.
I believe it is the teachings of Mohammed that has perverted the religion of Islam and that they are indeed an angry bunch bent on a Holy War and they have been since the teachings of Mohammed.
So again I want to thank you for your reply and acknowledge my choice of words that Allah was the God of Abraham may have been poor. I can see how one might read that I was saying Abraham believed in Allah.
I wonder at times however, how man has perverted Spiritual faith into religious fanaticism that has lead men to make war and kill each other over religion since the beginning of time. Oh well, the simple fact is that we have and it doesn't look as if we will stop any time soon.
My desire to rid the world of radical Islamic Fundamentalism is more rooted in survival than proving one religion's worth over another.
Peace to you and God Bless America!
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