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Some Got Warning: Don't Go Downtown on Sept. 11
New York Daily News ^ | October 12, 2001 | GREG B. SMITH

Posted on 10/12/2001 2:20:46 AM PDT by sarcasm

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To: NativeNewYorker
I've gone from the "Oh isn't it wonderful how Muslims and Jews live side-by-side in Brooklyn" to, "Holy sh!t! I've been a sucker."

Yep...when it is at the door knocking there is no time for self congradulations..

101 posted on 10/12/2001 11:36:48 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: All
All this harumscarum would have credibility if someone reported it to police and they acted upon it before 9/11. The irony is, if true, then school kids knew about the pending attack and the police, FBI, and CIA were the last to know and only, then, after the attack interrupted their somnambulism.

You can expect Arab-Americans to apologize for transgressions by their ethnic/religious kin when you see Irsaelis and Italians and Russians apologize for their Mafia brethern; or, when you see Israeli-Americans apologize for Mrs. Marc Rich buying a pardon for her ex; or, when Johnanthan Pollard is denounced by Israeli-Americans; or, African-Americans apologize and speak out against black crime, etc ad nauseam.

If Arab/Muslim-Americans are so obviously evil why wasn't this apparent to our government who issued them visas to be here? Was this 'unamerican' Arab/Muslim problem among the top 10,000 issues of concern among Americans before the hysteria of 911? After all, this terrorist war has been going on for three decades and the obvious wasn't noted until now? Shame on the know-it-alls who didn't alert us to such an obvious outrage.

To the contrary, up to now it was a PC requirement to celebrate multiculturalism and diversity. Such is taught even now in our schools.

As for groups that 'hate-America' you might look first at the non-arab types who teach in our universities and colleges, and high-schools. And, also, the pinched face types that control big media; and, the many politicians we elect as a nation. For a people who tolerated Bill Clinton's silence until $40 million (and DNA evidence) was spent to force an apology out of him, I think to question the silence of Arab-Americans to be quite un-American.

102 posted on 10/12/2001 11:52:26 AM PDT by Bob Burnett
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To: Judge Parker
What I find interesting is that these guys couldn't even fly, and were washed out of more than one flight school:

And, to look at the other side of the teacher/student relationship, we have these Mainstream Media reports about what some of the flight instructors had to say about the flying skills of these kamikaze pilots, who performed such precision feats of piloting on 9/11:

Flight 77: "The Plane Was Flown With Extraordinary Skill"

Once again: Operation 911 demanded that the attacks be tightly coordinated. Four jets took off within 15 minutes of each other at Boston, Dulles, and Newark airports, and roughly two hours later, it was over. If we are to believe the story we are being told, the masterminds needed, at an absolute minimum, pilots who could actually fly the planes and who could arrive at the right place at the right time.

American Airlines Flight 77, Boeing 757, took off from Dulles Airport in Northern virginia at 8:10 a.m. and crashed into the Pentagon at 9:40 a.m. The Washington Post's September 12 says this: "Aviation sources said that the plane was flown with extraordinary skill, making it highly likely that a trained pilot was at the helm, possibly one of the hijackers. Someone even knew how to turn off the transponder, a move that is considerably less than obvious."

According to the article, the air traffic controllers "had time to warn the White House that the jet was aimed directly at the president's mansion and was traveling at a gut-wrenching speed—full throttle.

"But just as the plane seemed to be on a suicide mission into the White House, the unidentified pilot executed a pivot so tight that it reminded observers of a fighter jet maneuver. The plane circled 270 degrees from the right to approach the Pentagon from the west, whereupon Flight 77 fell below radar level, vanishing from controller's screens, the sources said," (pg. 11). (Washington Post, September 12, 2001, "On Flight 77: 'Our Plane Is Being Hijacked., pgs. 1 & 11. )

Meet Ace Suicide Pilot Hani Hanjour

Let's look at what we know about the alleged suicide pilot of American Airlines Flight 77, Hani Hanjour. According to press reports, Hanjour had used Bowie's Maryland Freeway Airport three times since mid-August as he attempted to get permission to use one of the airport's planes. This from The Prince George's [Maryland] Journal September 18, 2001:

"Marcel Bernard, the chief flight instructor at the airport, said the man named Hani Hanjour went into the air in a Cessna 172 with instructors from the airport three times beginning the second week of August and had hoped to rent a plane from the airport.

"According to published reports, law enforcement sources say Hanjour, in his mid-twenties, is suspected of crashing the American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon. . . .

"Hanjour had his pilot's license, said Bernard, but needed what is called a 'check-out' done by the airport to gauge a pilot's skills before he or she is able to rent a plane at Freeway Airport which runs parallel to Route 50.

"Instructors at the school told Bernard that after three times in the air, they still felt he was unable to fly solo and that Hanjour seemed disappointed.

"Published reports said Hanjour obtained his pilot's license in April of 1999, but it expired six months later because he did not complete a required medical exam. He also was trained for a few months at a private school in Scottsdale, Ariz., in 1996, but did not finish the course because instructors felt he was not capable.

"Hanjour had 600 hours listed in his log book, Bernard said, and instructors were surprised he was not able to fly better with the amount of experience. Pete Goulatta, a special agent and spokesman for the FBI, said it is an on-going criminal investigation and he could not comment." (pg. 1.)

If you were the mastermind who planned this breathtaking terrorist attack, would you trust a man who took 600 hours of flying time and still could not do the job? Who was paying for Hanjour's lessons, and why?

Yet this is the man the FBI would have us believe flew Flight 77 into the Pentagon "with extraordinary skill." He could not even fly a Cessna 172!

By shifting the plane's position so radically, Flight 77 managed to hit the side of the Pentagon directly opposite the side on which the offices of the Secretary of Defense and Joint Chief of Staff were located.

Let's Meet The Other Aces

According to The Washington Post (September 19, 2001, "Hijack Suspects Tried Many Flight Schools"), Mohammed Atta, alleged hijacker of Flight 11, and Marwanal-Al-Shehhi, alleged hijacker of Flight 175, both of which crashed into the World Trade Center, attended hundreds of hours of lessons at Huffman Aviation, a flight school in Venice, Florida. They also took lessons at Jones Aviation Flying Service Inc., which operates from the Sarasota Bradenton International Airport. According to the Post, neither experience "worked out."

"A flight instructor at Jones who asked not be identified said Atta and Al Shehhi arrived in September or October" and asked to be given flight training. Atta, the instructor said, was particularly difficult. 'He would not look at your face,' the instructor said. 'When you talked to him, he could not look you in the eye. His attention span was very short."

The instructor said neither man was able to pass a Stage I rating test to track and intercept. After offering some harsh words, the instructor said, the two moved on . . . . "We didn't kick them out, but they didn't live up to our standards." (page A 15.)

Or try the Washington Post: Alleged hijackers Nawaq Alhazmi (Flight 77), Khaid Al-Midhar (Flight 77) and Hani Hanjour (Flight 77) all spent time in San Diego. "Two of the men, Alhazmi and Al-Midhar, also briefly attended a local fight school, but they were dropped because of their limited English and incompetence at the controls . . . .

"Last spring, two of the men visited Montgomery Field, a community airport . . . and sought flying lessons. They spoke to instructors at Sorbi's Flying Club, which allowed them to take only two lessons before advising them to quit.

"'Their English was horrible, and their mechanical skills were even worse,' said an instructor, who asked not to be named. 'It was like they had hardly even ever driven a car . . . ..'

"'They seemed like nice guys,' the instructor said, 'but in the plane, they were dumb and dumber.'" ("San Diegans See Area as Likely Target," Washington Post, September 24, 2001, pg. A7.)

103 posted on 10/12/2001 12:33:23 PM PDT by roughrider
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To: BlueDogDemo,Wallaby,Uncle Bill
See Reply #74 on Terror Financing Links
104 posted on 10/12/2001 12:48:44 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: darth
I need to dye my hair dark again anyway (my blonde is showing at the roots), so I'd love to, but I'm not sure it'd work as well in beautiful downtown Houston.
105 posted on 10/12/2001 12:56:00 PM PDT by Xenalyte
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To: SocialMeltdown
I fear you are right--at least up to a point. Muslims in the USA, be they Saudi princes, immigrants (legal or illegal) or citizens are free to claim a moral equivalency justifying the WTC terror--and that is simply free speech. But let someone make a strong case of complicity on the part of the all-too-silent Muslim community (condemning terror without equivocation) and the PC police come calling--even here on FR. Travis McGee calls them the Allah apologists.
107 posted on 10/13/2001 4:17:19 AM PDT by twntaipan
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To: The Documentary Lady
But would the Jewish people in New York, if indeed they were warned beforehand, keep quiet afterward about that? NO. Would they refuse to help in locating those who had access to information beforehand? NO. But "peace-loving Muslims" have a greater commitment to their terrorist-loving kin than to truth and/or justice.
108 posted on 10/13/2001 4:20:13 AM PDT by twntaipan
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To: sarcasm
I would like a list of all the middle eastern cab drivers kill on 9/11. If there were 0, I would like them all rounded up and questioned.
110 posted on 10/13/2001 12:48:23 PM PDT by bmwcyle
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To: giotto
, when I heard that San Francisco mayor Willie Brown said he was warned on the evening of Sept. 10 not to take a flight to the east coast the next day..

Would he not warn somebody

111 posted on 10/13/2001 2:19:16 PM PDT by biffalobull
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To: The Documentary Lady
But "peace-loving Muslims" have a greater commitment to their terrorist-loving kin than to truth and/or justice.***

When they dance and shout for joy on hearing of the attacks, I think it is a point well taken. One freeper here that lives in NYC said she was in a Syrian Bakery when the news came over the radio and everybody in the Bakery cheered. I have not heard too many "moderate Moslems" coming out against the murders and terrorism, just saying "Hey we are peaceful". Actions speak louder than words.

112 posted on 10/14/2001 10:49:27 AM PDT by American in Israel
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