Rosary Campaign for October 13, 2001

Eimail

[Aggie Mama]

That to me is proof of the power of prayer. God moves quietly, but He answers us.

[Katie_Colic]

Another convert here (3 1/2 years). I will pray with you all tomorrow : )

[Nubbin]

I have freepmailed instructions for 5 decades of the rosary -The Glorious Mysteries.

[WVNan]

We need all the prayers we can get, whether they are Catholic or Protestant. God hears the prayers of the righteous.

[Nubbin]

Well said and thank you. That is also my belief.

[patent]

Thanks for the bump.

[patent]

I haven't tried to verify this, but I was told that a young women who was named after Mohammed's daughter (Fatima) converted to Christianity and married a local landowner/lord (something like that) and he named the town after her.

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[patent]

Sr. Lucy's (Fatima apparition witness) convent confirmed that there, indeed, had been an apparation of the Blessed Virgin Mary to Sister Lucy on Saturday, 06 October 2001 AD. When the Blessed Mother appeared to Sister Lucy, she was very, very sad. She told Sister Lucy that the Faithful needed to pray many rosaries in order to prevent a blood bath.

There have been wild rumors flying around about this. It stems from a request from Sr. Lucy for rosaries at this time, not from another apparition. The official letter from the Carmelites Concerning Prayer With Sister Lucy:

Reverend Mother Prioress and Community,

On the occasion of the Carmelite Jubilee Year and with the desire to receive the greatest amount of Grace possible, inspired by the Holy Spirit, we invite you to join yourselves to our continuous Rosary that we will pray on October 7, Our Lady of the Rosary, for the definitive triumph of the Hearts of Jesus and Mary.

From the same chapel of the Holy Apparitions of the Most Blessed Virgin of Fatima and in the Presence of Jesus in the Most Blessed Sacrament, we will remain for 24 hours praying the Holy Rosary and imploring God for peace in the world and for the pardon of our sins.

In a very special way, we will beseech Him in intercession for the holiness of all Carmelites, in union with Sr. Lucia and the Carmelite Communities.

With great affection and alway united with Jesus and Mary, The Association of
Our Lady of the Holy Rosary
John XXIII Avenue, Number 59
2495-403 Fatima, Portugal

Not quite what the rumors have been thinking.

Dominus Vobiscum

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[father_elijah]

I have seen a more specific letter, patent. But it isn't the point really. October 13th is a day when we have an opportunity to pray with others in a way that is almost unique in Christian history. We have the internet to notify each other. We can be certain that e-mail, faxes, and phone conversations have communicated the special call to pray the Rosary.

I will also be praying the Chaplet of Divine Mercy at 3 pm local time. I think St. Faustina relayed to us an awesome gift from the Lord Jesus Christ in this simple Chaplet.

I am praying for Our Lord and Our Lady to fully reveal themselves to Muslims around the world, and I am praying for an end to abortion. Without an end to abortion in America and repentance ... I hate to even think of what things may come.

Blessed be God.

[patent]

I have seen a more specific letter, patent.

What have you seen? Can you forward us the text, where the letter was from, etc.? I would like to know the truth of this matter, it may not be the real issue which is prayer, but people do take this seriously.

But it isn't the point really.

Agreed, and we are adding our rosaries.

Dominus Vobiscum

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[Squire]

The phrase "for Thine is the Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory forever" is a liturgical prayer not original to the text. While I agree that as art the KJV is superior to many translations, it is rather wanting in the accuracy department. In fact, the phrase "every translation is an interpretation" could have originated with the KJV, given the degree to which it diverts from the original texts.

We Catholics, like our elder brothers, the Jews, hold to the notion that our Faith rests on the dual pillars of Scripture and Sacred Tradition. Catholic pious practices, while always consistent with Scriptural principles, are not always to be explicitly found in Scripture. Moreover, we Catholics do not expect to find explicit Scriptural commands of instructions for all our acts of popular piety -- we know that the Scriptures themselves do not claim that the entirety of the Faith (much less of practice) is to be found explicitly stated in Scripture. The notion of sola scriptura is a 14th Century invention (seeming to have originated with Wycliff, then later adopted by Luther). It is the unstable foundation on which the entire creaking edifice of Protestantism now ever-more uneasily rests.

[Squire]

I have read several of your statements on this and other threads. While you may have been Catholic in name, let me assure you madam (or sir) that you were never a Catholic in fact. Your statements demonstrate a failure to grasp even the most basic and elementary of Catholic theological principles -- a failure of such stunning breadth and depth as to positively preclude the notion that you ever were truly Catholic.

To fill the void of this ignorance, you apparently have adopted a so-called "Bible Christianity" which makes no real demands on you. It is a belief system at war with itself. To use an example from your most recent post, you state that the Bible is your sole guide, but then reject the distinction between mortal and venial sin. But the Bible itself in the First Epistle of John distinguishes the "sins which are unto death" (i.e., mortal) and the "sins which are not unto death" (i.e., venial). If you are going to rely solely on the Bible, perhaps you could familiarize yourself with it a little more.

A relationship with Christ is demanding because the love of Christ is demanding. Don't turn away from the demands of love.

On an unrelated note, you were on at least two occasions politely told that the purpose of this thread was for Catholics to share information on worldwide Catholic prayers for peace. You were also politely asked to refrain from attacking Catholic practice on this thread. You refused to heed these requests. Basic good manners would have dictated a different course. You truly are misguided, but I will nevertheless assume that your intentions are good. Just remember that, for the Christian, ends do not justify means.

[Askel5]

Thanks Nubbin ... (I best go to bed NOW).

[The Bard]

I had thought that since there had been some statements that this was a "NON-Bashing" Catholic thread, my intention in asking questions was to learn, but your response seemed to be one of hostility towards me (pardon me if I am incorrect). I am someone who, since last November (2000) partially became intersted in the Bible because of a Movie called "Left Behind". I started reading the Bible to learn. My wife is Catholic. She provided me with a Copy of the Catechism. One of my neighbors is catholic. He provided me with a book called "In His Light", so please don't think that I am unlearned in Catholic teachings. While I am attending a Non-catholic church, I still consider myself learning and searching for understanding.

Your problem with praying the rosary is that Jesus didn't give instructions in the bible? Catholics also pray the prayer Jesus taught. We call it the "Our Father" and in fact it is prayed during the recitation of the rosary. I take it then that this is the ONLY prayer that you pray because it is the only prayer taught by Jesus in the bible? That's funny, your denomination must not be one I am familiar with. I have attended the services of many different protestant denominations which all included "unbiblical" prayers by your reckoning. They are usually made up on the spot by Brother or Sister someone who has been called on to pray. Your reasoning is that these are not valid prayers because they were not explicitly taught by Jesus in the bible? Interesting.

Yes, If Jesus felt that is was important enough to give instruction on how we should pray to the Father, why not instructions to others that we should pray to? And the Lords Prayer is an EXAMPLE of a prayer, given by Jesus on how to pray. The made up on the spot by Brother or Sister pray are definately valid prayer. From my understanding, they usually (I admit that there are some extreme cases out there) meet the instruction given by Jesus.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

If all scripture is given by inspiration of God, and we know that Jesus can not make an error, then why is there no examples of prayer to other divine beings? Again, I am not trying to start a bashing here. I truely seek information.

[The Bard]

The phrase "for Thine is the Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory forever" is a liturgical prayer not original to the text. While I agree that as art the KJV is superior to many translations, it is rather wanting in the accuracy department. In fact, the phrase "every translation is an interpretation" could have originated with the KJV, given the degree to which it diverts from the original texts.

Please tell me where I can find an original. Have any originals been scanned online where one could view these? I visited the Vatican back in the 80's. While there were many texts there, I have been told that there no originals anymore. Copies had been carefully scribed over the centuries, thus preserving His word. If there are originals, then what Bible traslation today actually used those originals? I would want to get a copy of that.

We Catholics, like our elder brothers, the Jews, hold to the notion that our Faith rests on the dual pillars of Scripture and Sacred Tradition.

I think I follow you on this... Thus things like Communion (Mass), Baptism, etc. I understand ya here.

Catholic pious practices, while always consistent with Scriptural principles, are not always to be explicitly found in Scripture. Moreover, we Catholics do not expect to find explicit Scriptural commands of instructions for all our acts of popular piety

Correct me if I'm wrong with this example: A Commandment to Not Watch TV would have confused everyone (to say the least) until the invention of the TV, yet I can take from the scriptures that since I am not to commit adultry, I should thus know not to watch Pornagraphy on the TV. I think I follow you so far....

-- we know that the Scriptures themselves do not claim that the entirety of the Faith (much less of practice) is to be found explicitly stated in Scripture. The notion of sola scriptura is a 14th Century invention (seeming to have originated with Wycliff, then later adopted by Luther). It is the unstable foundation on which the entire creaking edifice of Protestantism now ever-more uneasily rests.

How do we know the scriptures are not the entirety of Practice? I'll agree with you on the faith portion, as that is an on going trust in Jesus, but if there is something that God wanted us to do, why would he not tell us in His book?

I know that some of the things I have said here may seem to fall under bashing. I'm sorry if they do. I have seen the other threads and have seen these same issues brought up, but unfortunately they were brought up via "Bashing", and often these things were not answered, or if so, were lost to me in the length of the thread. I had never noticed the "View Replies" option before, (Is that a new feature?), but since I have found that, I am hoping to follow these responses and truely learn something here.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

There was an Austrian priest on EWTN talking about this tonight.

[Squire]

How do we know the scriptures are not the entirety of Practice? I'll agree with you on the faith portion, as that is an on going trust in Jesus, but if there is something that God wanted us to do, why would he not tell us in His book?

We know that Scripture is not the entirety of practice (or doctrine) because (a) Scripture itself says so (2 Thess 2:15, among other citations) and (b) because Sacred Tradition tells us that this was the teaching of Christ, transmitted to us by the Apostles and Church Fathers. It is also a fitting continuation of the Old Testament practice -- the Jews have both the Torah and the Talmud. So too, Christians have both Scripture and Tradition.

A kind of Sacred Tradition exists to this day in Protestantism. For example, while Scripture is consistent with the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, it in no way contains the fullness of the teaching on the issue as formulated at the Councils of Nicaea and Constantinople in the 4th Century. The reason that these Councils had to be held was that a priest, Arius, had convinced most of the Christian world that Christ was not God. Christians argued over whether or not this teaching contradicted Scripture. But the teaching plainly contradicted Tradition, and St. Athanasius was eventually able to defeat Arius on that basis. So, in both Catholic and Protestant circles, the doctrine of the Trinity rests on both Scripture and Tradition.

Obviously, I can't speak for God on exactly why He decided to use Sacred Tradition to pass His teachings on through the ages, but I would point out one thing. The Gospels demonstrate that God has a predilection for using human or earthly instrumentalities to effect His supernatural ends. And remember that while the Scriptures are divinely inspired, they were not intended as exhaustive and complete catalogues of everything Christ said and did (see the Epilogue of St. John's Gospel). The first three Gospels were written specifically to instruct recent converts from different traditions in different regions -- Matthew for Jewish converts, Mark for Greek Gentile converts, Luke for "pagan" Gentile converts. The Gospel of St. John was written to "fill in the significant blanks" in the narratives of the first three Gospels.

[Ann Archy]

Which Mysteries....All three of them??

[Ann Archy]

Radical Isam is the Anti-CHRIST!!! imho

[xsmommy]

No baptizing babies. No salvation through baptism. Personal relationship with Christ now.

Guess what? it is possible to have a personal relationship with Christ and be Catholic. Just because you didn't have it, doesn't mean it isn't possible. Please honor the requests of the posters here and go elsewhere if you intend to bash the Catholic faith.