[F16Fighter]

Hmmm, selective over-the-top retention of a certain targeted minority despite an intact program already practicing affirmative action? But to what end? And standards be damned and further reduced? How did she react to your lucid argument? I assume any sense went screaming over her head.

[Skywalk]

Same platitudes, same inference that minority dropouts were due to institutional racism or hostile atmosphere, rather than the cultural wide phenomenon(heck, I'm one of em! I'm finishing in the next year up here in Seattle, though.)

Even black students AT black colleges don't graduate in the 4-5 year period on par with white students. Black students from upper class backgrounds and good high schools show no difference in their numbers.

Basically, it was one of those nonstop arguments. She was being way too nice, considering her reputation(deserved.) I had to get somewhere so I ended the debate nicely. She really didn't have much in the way of a precise plan, nor could she respond to my comparison of Caribbean immigrants vs American blacks, or the fact that ratcheting up this "retention" effort was paternalistic and was bound to bring further ridicule upon some very bright and worthy black students.