Will the Real Islam Please Stand Up!

To: FallGuy; LadyX

21 posted on 10/14/2001 8:40:50 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

22 posted on 10/14/2001 8:44:48 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub

Extremly cogent and well put. An old curmudgeon as myself, has been reduced to exclaiming to thin air, the following: What if some maniacs identifying themselves as "Christians", committed an appalling atrocity, on a nation of Islam? Can anyone imagine the Muslims being told - Oprah style, "you are now being given a course on Christianity 101"? Would Muslims be told "you must try to understand this hate,to prevent repeat attacks".Can anyone imagine the authority there, threatening "hate mongers" with jail if they attacked resident Christians etc?

I am absolutely suffering from Islamafatigue. Spouse is sopping it up on the tube daily. No, I dont care about Islam and its tenets. Since reading Fifteen Decisive Battles Of The World by Edward Creasy. (Battle of Tours 732 AD)- I am all to well aware of the titanic struggles between Western civilization and Islam.

23 posted on 10/14/2001 8:46:12 PM PDT by Peter Libra

To: Van Jenerette

I think a lot of us are getting sick of the schitzo propaganda about what Islam REALLY stands for(or doesn't stand for) being directed at the western world.

Why aren't they lecturing their own rogue clerics who are instigating rioting mobs of Muslims in Pakistan, Indonesia and Nigeria who support Osama?
Furthermore, why do they air the threatening rants by Osama and his flunkies on Arab TV without demanding equal time to refute their heresies?

They need to stop lecturing us, and start thinking about the negative image Islam has as a result of the numerous terrorist groups that claim Islam is their motivation to kill innocent people.

24 posted on 10/14/2001 8:52:45 PM PDT by Jorge

To: Van Jenerette

why should I be the target audience on what 'true' Islam really is?

Because an embarrasingly large percentage of our population is ignorant and will blame innocent, peaceful people based solely on their religion.

Is the media overdoing it?
Probably.
But we also have plenty of idiots that need to be told over and over again before it sinks in.

If you've already gotten the message, do what I do: switch the channel. (It's so much easier nowadays with remote control and all the different channels that are available on cable.)

25 posted on 10/14/2001 8:54:19 PM PDT by Willie Green

Target hit George! They can't have it both ways, can they?

thanks bro

26 posted on 10/14/2001 8:56:39 PM PDT by Van Jenerette

To: Van Jenerette

Bump for an excellent read
Why haven't the American Muslims taken to the streets in protest of the hijacking of their religion and in their support of their homeland?
Until I see something like it, I'll be suspicious of the "peaceful, loving, Muslims" portrayed by the liberal media

27 posted on 10/14/2001 8:57:40 PM PDT by apackof2

To: Willie Green

Peaceful people who doe not speak out about the murder of innocents in the name of their religion are neither peaceful or religious - they are cowards. The term idiots rest more with the mass of silent 'Muslims' than with honest Americans of any faith.

28 posted on 10/14/2001 9:00:59 PM PDT by Van Jenerette

29 posted on 10/14/2001 9:04:04 PM PDT by ProudGOP

To: Van Jenerette

30 posted on 10/14/2001 9:14:15 PM PDT by ChowChowFace

To: Van Jenerette; B4Ranch; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; ChaseR

Well written and I agree !

If and I say IF the muslims here in America hate what the terrorists have done, I for one expect them to take out full page ads in newspapers across America. Have their organizations whatever they are put pressure on the Taliban. You name it and STOP behaving like whiners and get as outraged as the rest of America has been.

Are they????
NO

Instead we hear from the media on how to bleeding heart feel their pain, understand their religon that treats women like dirt , and how they are not to blame for what Osama has done and his gang of mass murderers.

Give me a break !

31 posted on 10/14/2001 9:14:58 PM PDT by FallGuy

To: Willie Green

Because an embarrasingly large percentage of our population is ignorant and will blame innocent, peaceful people based solely on their religion.

I have to admit, when this first started, I wanted to go to the local Islamic center and offer my condolences that they were being targeted unfairly, see if I could help out families that were afraid to leave home to get groceries, that sort of thing.

But the farther this progresses, I want to go to the local Islamic center and ask them why they aren't doing more to help US. We have heard little but their insistence that they should be protected, Islam is a peaceful religion. Hum. Clearly "peace", "freedom", and many other words mean something different to Muslims than to the rest of the world.

Why would I want to know more about Islam? I believe the catchphrase is "know thine enemy".

32 posted on 10/14/2001 9:17:36 PM PDT by edayna

To: FallGuy; Snow Bunny

I see "rants" run in the family, hehehe

33 posted on 10/14/2001 9:19:01 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

To: Van Jenerette

Why, why, why Islam? In order to understand whys and what’s about Islam one has to look up at the history and the core of the religions. We have Christianity and Judaism. Call it Judeo-Christianity, if you will. The basis of Judeo-Christianity is all around the revelation of God to Abraham/Moses/David/John/Jesus/Paul. The message is best put by the Beatles: lift up yourself. On a more serious note, the vector of the Judeo-Christian values is inward. Remember Jesus preaching to the crowds on the mountain in Gallely? Remember David's Psalms? Cries of John the Baptist. It is all inward. Improve yourself, teach the others. If they do not care - leave them alone: God will judge. Yes, someone can argue, there were the brutal Jewish conquests of Canaan, Crusaders etc. Yes, but those were deviations from the teachings of the Tora or the Bible, and not the ORGANIC PART of it. Now, to Mr. Mohammed of the Arab tribe of Hashem. The end of 6th century AD. This apocalyptic, weak bodied fellow with an immense hatred towards his uncles, who thought the young Mohammed was possessed by Gins (demons), had something on his mind. These were two things: unification of the multitude of the Arab tribes, and, yes, conquest of the world. The fellow, being a brilliant political strategist, discovered that the best way for his political goals would be some kind of monotheistic religion. He turned towards the Jews (they ruled in next town over to Mecca, called Medina), but found out they were too tribal, besides the rabbis laughed at him and called him bad words. He would never forget this. The Christians were bunch of peacenicks and with their message he couldn’t go too far either. At this juncture, Mohammed, already a prosperous businessman, decided to ENGINEER a NEW religion. This new religion he called Islam. To make it more believable to people around him, he takes a lot of stuff from the Bible, tells everybody that no more no less than Archangel Gabriel visits him and dictates a pure word of God (Allah) which he, Mohammed, the last and ultimate Prophet puts down in a book called Koran. In 1848 Karl Marx wrote his Manifest of the Communist Party. This was the basic manual for action of the millions of his followers for hundred plus years since. So was the Koran. Mohammed was instrumental in unifying the Arab tribes, Khalifs after him conquered the World (at least darn good chunk of it). The message of the religion of peace, Islam, is not really peace at ALL. Do not compare the Koran and message there with what you find in a Gospel. Everything, the approach to an individual, free choice, will of God, etc. is different in Islam. The vector is outward. You're are nothing in Islam, but a PART of a bigger entity, your path in life is already written by faith, the greatest honour is to give your life to that greater entity, hence to Allah... Anyway, if one had a set of some magic glasses and looked through them on our Bible, he would read one word: LOVE. Not so with Koran, not so. The word would be CONQUEST, and that's it. This is why, my friend, there is no such thing as a RADICAL Islam... There is just Islam, evil at the core, a sling-shot waiting for the right circumstance to be released and give you either a black eye, or .... an ultimate peace.

34 posted on 10/14/2001 9:19:03 PM PDT by Brusensky

To: Van Jenerette

EXCELLENT article!!!! You nailed it.

35 posted on 10/14/2001 9:19:38 PM PDT by FITZ

To: Willie Green

Because an embarrasingly large percentage of our population is ignorant and will blame innocent, peaceful people based solely on their religion.

Uh, the REAL embarrasment is the "large percentage" of THEIR population ...who are ignorant of what their own religion (supposedly) stands for.
They are the ones claiming all Muslims should target and kill Americans and Jews, and so are far more responsible for giving Islam a bad name than non-Muslims who have no obligation to research their own religion amd make the case for them as to what real Islam stands for.

36 posted on 10/14/2001 9:21:33 PM PDT by Jorge

To: Travis McGee; mercy

Don't know if you've seen this, it's a must read.

37 posted on 10/14/2001 9:23:02 PM PDT by FITZ

To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub

38 posted on 10/14/2001 9:23:43 PM PDT by FallGuy

To: Van Jenerette

Yeah. We have heard from many Muslims, but many more need to speak up!

There is relative safety -- & power ---- in numbers!

39 posted on 10/14/2001 9:24:30 PM PDT by FReethesheeples

To: Van Jenerette

Interesting stuff, really well written. I'm about to check out your website...

40 posted on 10/14/2001 9:24:45 PM PDT by Michael2001

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