[That Poppins Woman]

ME: I hope you don't think those guys that landed on Normandy beach were nuts to sacrifice not only their future but their lives for something other than 'me'.

YOU No, I don't think they were nuts.

Is that an agreement that there are things more important than 'me'?

No. I merely don't think its nuts for someone to sacrifice their future and their lives for something other than themselves. Were they all volunteers? Or were some drafted, i.e., no choice?

If I choose to regard something as more important than my life and my future, that is entirely up to me. If I choose to sacrifice ANYTHING, that is up to me. No one else. Not you. Not any silly religion. No dandified bishop. Nobody's little tin god. No government, nor representative of a government. Ayn Rand was right about this. No one else.

[ex-snook]

I notice you always leave out your original words which were: "Are we all saying that a free person in this country must subjugate their goals and dreams for their life, in order to fulfill a duty, one that is not their choice, but instead imposed upon them by a fearful society?" "

and now your follow-up No. I merely don't think its nuts for someone to sacrifice their future and their lives for something other than themselves. Were they all volunteers? Or were some drafted, i.e., no choice? "

You approve that others should sacrifice their lives at Normandy but it is not what you would ever do. It does not matter if those troops on D-Day were draftees or not, when sacrifice was called for they did not hide in a hole. I will not bother to ask you if those firemen who ran into the WTC were nuts also to do their duty 'imposed on them by a fearful society '. Your self-absorption is beyond hope at this time.