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To: JMJ333
And I meant eclipsing us in terms of snuffing out Judeo-Christianity,

Snuffing out? And just how are they going to do that? Are they going to forcibly convert you? Your children? Are you saying that they are going to just all come over here on their WORK VISAS and breed you out? Define "snuffing out".

and it hasn't been done yet--give it 50 years or so and it will, because people like you disdain my belief system [the one that holds personal repsonsibility in high esteem],

Really? And just how do I hold personal responsibility in low esteem? Justify your position.

and other people don't have the guts to stand up to people like you who only give a damn about thelselves.

People like me? Really? Do define "people like me". And do attempt to be more specific than just --- oooooo the bad people.

When Judeo-Christianity is gone you can have your pick of morally lassaiz faire pagan utopias--hope you enjoy it.

Where is it going? In 50 years, Israel will be comprised primarily of those of Arab descent. In 50 years, if Corporate America keeps up its WORK VISA pace, the USA will be comprised primarily of 3rd worlders.

Now, how am I responsible for this?

P.S. What the heck do you think America's obsession with Santy Claus is? Non paganism? What the heck do you think your children are going to be doing in a few short weeks? The feast of Samhain (pronounced sow-en) is a PAGAN festival. THE WITCH'S NEW YEAR!! Hello? Our Christian nation calls it Halloween.

What a complete maroon.

75 posted on 10/18/2001 9:55:11 AM PDT by That Poppins Woman
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To: That Poppins Woman
P.S. What the heck do you think America's obsession with Santy Claus is? Non paganism? What the heck do you think your children are going to be doing in a few short weeks? The feast of Samhain (pronounced sow-en) is a PAGAN festival. THE WITCH'S NEW YEAR!! Hello? Our Christian nation calls it Halloween.
Is that what your coven told you?

Halloween

by Father Scott Archer
Compiled from Peoria Diocesan information and other sources

The question often arises about the celebration of Halloween by Catholics. Is it, for instance, "pagan" to dress up and go about as ghosts and goblins? The question often comes up because many modern Christians (mostly non-Catholic ones) believe Halloween has something to do with worshipping the devil and participating in witchcraft. The truth is, the origins of Halloween are rooted deeply in the theology and popular customs of Catholics.

It is a revision of actual history to say our modern celebration of Halloween has origins in Druid customs. It is true that the ancient Celts celebrated a minor feast on October 31st, but the fact is they celebrated a festival on the last day of most every month.

First of all, the celebration of Halloween; i.e., people dressing up in costumes, going to parties, and "begging" for candy, is not un-Catholic.

Halloween falls on October 31st because the Feast of All Saints or "All Hallows" falls on November 1st. The feast in honor of all the saints used to be celebrated on May 13th, but Pope Gregory III, in 731, moved it to November 1st, the dedication day of All Saints Chapel in St. Peter's in Rome. This feast spread throughout the world.

In 998, St. Odilo, the abbot of the powerful monastery of Cluny in France, added a celebration on November 2nd. This was a day of prayer for the souls of all the faithful departed. Therefore, the Church had a feast of the saints and those in Purgatory. It was the Irish Catholics who came up with the idea to somehow remember those souls who did not live by the Faith in this life. It became customary for these Irish to bang on pots and pans on All Hallow's Eve to let the damned know they were not forgotten. In Ireland, then, ALL the dead came to be remembered. This, however, is still not exactly like our celebration of Halloween. On Halloween we also dress up in costumes.

This practice arose in France during the 14th and 15th centuries. During the horrible bubonic plague, the black death, Europe lost half of her population. Artists depicted this on walls to remind us of our own mortality. These pictures and representations are known as the "Dance of Death" or "The Dance Macabre." These figures were commonly painted on cemetary walls and showed the devil leading a daisy chain of people into the tomb. Sometimes the dance was re-enacted on All Soul's Day as a living tableau, with people dressed up as the dead. But the French dressed up on All Souls, not Halloween; and the Irish, who celebrated Halloween, did not dress up.

The two were brought together in the colonies of North America during the 18th century, when Irish and French Catholics began to intermarry. Thus the two celebrations became mingled, and we began dressing up on Halloween. It is, as we can see, a very "American" holiday but Catholics as well.

"Trick-or-Treating" is a very odd addition to Halloween. It is the most American aspect of the holiday, and is the (unwilling) contribution of English Catholics.

Guy Fawkes Day became a great celebration against Catholics in England. It celebrated the day the plot to blow up Parliament and King James I was discovered. This was on November 5, 1605. Guy Fawkes was the rather reckless man guarding the gunpowder. He was arrested and hanged. During these times of persecution of the Catholic Church bands of revelers would wear masks and visit Catholics in the night demanding they be given cakes and beer.

Guy Fawkes Day arrived in the American colonies with the first English settlers. Old King James had long been forgotten, but "Trick-or-Treating" was too much fun to give up. Eventually, it moved to the Irish/French Catholic masquerade. This practice of "Trick-or-Treating" was simply moved to coincide with the Catholic celebration involving dressing up.

I believe Halloween can still serve the purpose of reminding us about Hell and how to avoid it. Halloween is also a day to prepare us to remember those who have gone before us in faith, those already in Heaven, and those still suffering in Purgatory. The next time someone claims Halloween is a cruel trick to lure our children into devil worship, I suggest you tell them the real origin of Halloween and let them know about its Catholic roots and significance.


What a complete maroon.
You said it, but your aim was off.

patent

78 posted on 10/18/2001 10:18:04 AM PDT by patent
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To: That Poppins Woman
Whew... thought I'd seen some chips on shoulders around here, but you take the cake. Perchance, is your real name Bethanie?
79 posted on 10/18/2001 10:31:37 AM PDT by workerbee
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To: That Poppins Woman
Snuffing out? And just how are they going to do that? Are they going to forcibly convert you? Your children? Are you saying that they are going to just all come over here on their WORK VISAS and breed you out? Define "snuffing out".

In case you haven't noticed, Christians are being murdered around the world more than ever before. In the Sudan 2 million black Christians have been slaughtered by Omar Bassir--In East Timor, muslims slaughtered 300,000 Catholics--In Iraq the moslems have slaughtered 3.5 million assyrian Christians--In India radical hindu's have slaughtered thousands of Catholic Priests and missionaries. I'm sure you're also aware of Chechnya, and the Balkans.

In case you haven't noticed, Christians are the only group of people left in America that it is okay to ridicule and demean. We are at war with people who hate western culture and are trying to wipe out Judeo-Christianity. When they do eclipse us--you will finally be able to live your life without us overbearing moralistic bloward Christians who are always telling others how to live their lives.

Really? And just how do I hold personal responsibility in low esteem? Justify your position

Are you pro-choice?

People like me? Really? Do define "people like me". And do attempt to be more specific than just --- oooooo the bad people.

Those who put *themselves* before everything else--Its all about *ME ME ME!*

Where is it going? In 50 years, Israel will be comprised primarily of those of Arab descent. In 50 years, if Corporate America keeps up its WORK VISA pace, the USA will be comprised primarily of 3rd worlders.

I am talking about our culture. Judeo-Christian culture, from which the country is based. If our base goes than so do human rights. Just look at other countries based on any pagan religion.

P.S. What the heck do you think America's obsession with Santy Claus is? Non paganism? What the heck do you think your children are going to be doing in a few short weeks? The feast of Samhain (pronounced sow-en) is a PAGAN festival. THE WITCH'S NEW YEAR!! Hello? Our Christian nation calls it Halloween.

If I gave you an explanation of why you're wrong, would you even listen? I doubt it.

82 posted on 10/18/2001 10:43:51 AM PDT by JMJ333
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