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The soft war against masculinity
Washington Times ^ | 10/18/01 | Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 10/17/2001 11:41:54 PM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:47:54 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: 185JHP; Woahhs
I'm not going to rehash this....you are both making the wrong assumption about me, and maybe you are justified in that I'm not willing to post everything here.

This will be my last post on this however.

..not subject to rebuttal and cross-exanination by the accused - and take down a man they don't like. The pernicious idea that "women don't lie about these things" is laughable.

Hallums had his rubuttal opportunity, all the way up the chain...it was the proper authorities who determined through an extensive investigation and they determined he was no longer fit. He also admitted to some of the things for which he was charged. SO I did not lie. Keep in mind also, there were male soldiers who also had complaints against him, for his abusive leadership tactics...not just sexual harassment.

I wonder what your assessment of General George Patton would have been?

FWIW my assessment of GP is that he was the best General the Army had and we need more Generals like him.

John Wayne is my hero, as well as Ronald Reagan...the Colonel they sent to the department to replace Hallums used to be the military aide to Ronald Reagan during his presidency. This man took over the department, made it well again...and after five years of being the best boss I ever had in my Military and Civilian careers, retired to become the Dean of VMI.

Do I think that some women lie about being sexually or otherwise harassed??? YES

Do I think ALL women lie about it?? NO.

Do I think if you are accused you have the right to rebut and face your accusers?? YES ABSOLUTELY.

41 posted on 10/19/2001 2:24:48 AM PDT by Neets
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To: OneidaM
I read the WSJ article about this - the WSJ has a lot of credibility on this with me. You have none. What happened is, some nasty females ganged up on a guy they didn't like - and because there is a vicious anti-white male attack gang that hasn't been stopped yet - they won. That other men joined the attack means nothing - there are girly-men in lots of places. Are you aware that Coughlin, when shown a photo lineup, identified as someone who "harassed" her, a Marine photographer who wasn't even AT Tailhook?
42 posted on 10/19/2001 5:30:11 PM PDT by 185JHP
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To: 185JHP; Hugh Akston; Dog
I read the WSJ article about this

Would it surprise you to learn that when Tom Ricks did this article, he did not interview ONE single person on the opposing side?-

the WSJ has a lot of credibility on this with me. You have none.

How credible I am with you is a moot issue as far as I am concerned. I've never heard nor read your posts since this thread.

What happened is, some nasty females ganged up on a guy they didn't like - and because there is a vicious anti-white male attack gang that hasn't been stopped yet - they won.

No, that is what you BELIEVE happened. You have NO CLUE what happened, because YOU WEREN'T THERE. But because you READ it in the WSJ journal or because it is mentioned in this article from the WT's its gospel?

That other men joined the attack means nothing - there are girly-men in lots of places.

These so-called Girly-men you seem to know so well, were and are some of the finest soldiers I had/have the privilege of serving with, both in my military and civilian careers. They have my utmost respect and admiration; something I can't say about you.

Are you aware that Coughlin, when shown a photo lineup, identified as someone who "harassed" her, a Marine photographer who wasn't even AT Tailhook?

I remember the face of the person who harassed me,,,I looked at that face for a year and half. I looked at his face when he asked me to have phone sex with him on the intercome. I looked at his face when he "Jokingly" told his wife I was sitting on his lap when she phoned him. I looked at his face when he told me what a wonderful physique he had, and how he could tell I wished I had him. I looked at his face for many days and many weeks and many months. He was there, and so was I and I had NO problem identifying him.

I can't help but wonder if I were your sister/mother/wife/daughter would you still have such a difficult time believing me.

If you felt it was so wrong for the most Disgraced Commander In Chief of the United States Armed Forces to conduct himself in such a disgusting manner, and you believed Monica Lewinsky was so credible,,, why are you having such a difficult time with this one?

43 posted on 10/19/2001 6:03:53 PM PDT by Neets
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To: OneidaM
Your response tells me more about you - you confirmed what I suspected - why you didn't want to say anything specific about your experiences. Your non-response about Coughlin's dishonesty is also quite telling. BTW, glad you're no longer at the Point.
44 posted on 10/19/2001 6:41:10 PM PDT by 185JHP
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To: 185JHP
And YOUR response confirms for me what I suspected...your reading comprehension skills...or lack thereof.
45 posted on 10/19/2001 6:47:53 PM PDT by Neets
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To: 185JHP
Your response tells me more about you

Welcome to Free Republic. OneidaM is well known, and has a reputation. I and several others will vouch for her.

She also makes some valid points to which you are non-responsive. 1. The Col. had due process. 2. Due process, in the military, tends to be comprehensive. (lots of CYA).

Please lay off the personal attacks. Thanks.

/john

46 posted on 10/19/2001 7:07:18 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper
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sorry about that. i am a terrible typist and i forgot caps are synonymous with yelling. jonna
47 posted on 10/21/2001 12:18:21 PM PDT by jonna
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