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To: jokemoke
I'd love to know what they're up to (Delta Force) ...but, alas....it's better if I (we) don't know. Some day !!!
2 posted on 10/20/2001 3:56:50 PM PDT by The Raven
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To: The Raven
"The Afghans wouldn't look fondly on foreigners with guns ruling them," Mr. Brahimi said.

Who would?

4 posted on 10/20/2001 3:59:44 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: The Raven
I'd love to know what they're up to (Delta Force) ...but, alas....it's better if I (we) don't know. Some day !!!

Yes. The history of this war will be very interesting.

In the meantime we can be sure that whatever our men are up to it is bringing gigantic loads of grief to the enemy.

7 posted on 10/20/2001 4:07:20 PM PDT by LibKill
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To: The Raven
I'm guessing whatever they were looking for...they found. Let's say... something that cannot be seen by satelite photos.

As Dubya says, "we are slowly but surely circling the enemy." Sooner or later they will have to come out of their caves.

9 posted on 10/20/2001 4:09:39 PM PDT by jokemoke
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To: The Raven
WASHINGTON/KABUL (Reuters) -The United States has claimed an intelligence coup from its first use of ground troops in Afghanistan, including a clandestine night raid on a home of Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar.

The raid by about 100 elite U.S. Rangers and special forces was on Afghanistan's second largest city of Kandahar, once stronghold of the fundamentalist Taliban who are accused of sheltering Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network, chief suspects in the September 11 suicide attacks on New York and Washington.

There was no let up in an anthrax scare sweeping the United States with a mail worker in Washington hospitalised with possible symptoms of the bacteria and traces of the potential germ warfare agent found in the U.S. House of Representatives.

U.S. President George W. Bush, attending the APEC summit in Shanghai, called the anthrax mailings "an act of terror" and sought to enlist Pacific Rim leaders in a global campaign to protect people from bioterrorism.

Under attack from both air and ground, the Taliban moved troops through the darkened streets of the capital Kabul on Saturday night as an aircraft flew low overhead.

The Taliban remained defiant, saying they had successfully repulsed the U.S. raid and they might as well give up their Muslim faith as give up the world's most wanted man, who they say is a "guest" in their country.

Giving details of the U.S. raid, Air Force Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, showed dramatic near-real time film of night parachute drops in the Kandahar area in southern Afghanistan.

The film included strings of paratroopers dropping from MC-130 "Combat Talon" special forces aircraft and then destroying Taliban equipment on the ground.

One raid was on a command-and-control centre near Kandahar and another was on an airfield, also in southern Afghanistan. More than 100 troops were involved, officials said.

AIR BLITZ

The raid came nearly two weeks after Washington began an air blitz on Afghanistan, dropping tonnes of bombs and missiles in pursuit of bin Laden and to bring down the Taliban.

The Pentagon said two service personnel had been killed and three injured when a helicopter supporting the commando raid crashed on landing in Pakistan. They dismissed Taliban statements that they had shot down the aircraft.

Defence officials said the Black Hawk helicopter may have crashed due to a problem called "brownout," when the rotor blades stirred up dust and other debris around the aircraft as it descended.

Two soldiers were lightly injured in the parachute drop and the troops ran into "light" resistance.

There were reports the raid included a 30-minute exchange of fire between U.S. troops and Taliban soldiers.

"We met resistance at both objectives -- the airfield and the other objective. I guess you could characterise it as light. There were casualties on the other side, the number of which we do not know yet," Myers said, adding that no Taliban or al Qaeda leaders were captured.

"U.S. forces were able to deploy, manoeuvre and operate inside Afghanistan without significant interference from Taliban forces," he told reporters. "They are now refitting and repositioning for potential future operations against terrorist targets in other areas known to harbour terrorists."

U.S. troops penetrated buildings of a large complex where Omar has lived using it as a command and control centre.

POTENTIAL STASH OF INTELLIGENCE

While other Taliban command posts were bombed during U.S. strikes on Afghanistan that began on October 7, this one was untouched by the bombardment and viewed by the U.S. military as a potential stash of intelligence.

"I'll characterise the one target as one of the locations where Omar lives. It's a fairly large complex. It's a command and control compound for the Taliban leadership," Myers said.

"We gathered up some intelligence, some items, and we're going to evaluate that," he said.

Another U.S. defence official, without commenting on what intelligence was seized in the raid, said the troops probably searched for items such as maps, documents, correspondence, ledgers, arms, computer disks and communications equipment.

Photos, letters, and even medication that would indicate whether Omar or any top officials had physical health problems, would be helpful, the official said.

It was not clear where the troops took off for the raid, but several countries in the region have provided bases for such attacks. U.S. Special Operations troops are also based with their assault helicopters on the aircraft carrier USS Kitty Hawk in the Indian Ocean south of Afghanistan.

In anthrax developments, a swab from a U.S. House of Representatives mail room proved positive for the bacteria and a Washington postal worker was in the hospital in nearby Virginia being tested adding to alarm about anthrax findings.

Close to 40 people in the United States, including 28 who work at the nearby U.S. Senate, have been exposed to anthrax bacteria in the past month. Eight people have been infected with the disease and one man has died.

Along with the real cases, the United States and other countries have seen a spate of false alarms and hoaxes with envelopes containing white powder.

In his weekly radio speech, this time from Shanghai, Bush addressed the nation's fears, saying there was no hard evidence linking the letters containing anthrax spores to bin Laden.

"We do not yet know who sent anthrax to the United States Capitol or several different media organisations," Bush said. "We do know that anyone who deliberately delivers anthrax is engaged in a crime and an act of terror."

Bush said the American people should expect "moments of sacrifice" in the campaign against global terrorism, which began on Oct. 7 with air strikes to soften up the Taliban.

TALIBAN UNDER INCREASING PRESSURE

As the vise tightened around the Taliban, one of its most powerful ministers discussed the previously unthinkable with Pakistan officials -- the possible make-up of an Afghan government should the U.S.-led coalition succeed.

Pakistan Foreign Ministry spokesman Riaz Mohammad Khan said that Jalaluddin Haqqani, the man responsible for tribal affairs in a country divided along ethnic lines, discussed a post-Taliban government on a visit to Islamabad this week.

In local media interviews, Haqqani gave no hint that the end of the Taliban might be near and breathed defiance.

"We are eagerly awaiting the American troops to land on our soil, where we will deal with them in our own way," said Haqqani, a veteran mujahideen, or holy warrior.

His visit to Pakistan came amid rumours of splits inside the Taliban, but Haqqani said the movement, which has been intent on creating the world's purest Islamic state, had lost no leaders, either through U.S. bombing or from defections.

"There is absolutely no truth in such claims," said Haqqani, who arrived in Pakistan on Wednesday and is believed to have left Saturday. He said bin Laden was alive and well.

In the latest and clearest sign of pressure on the Taliban, Muttaqi earlier appealed to their civil war foes, the Northern Alliance, to join forces against U.S. attacks. "It is time to bury the hatchet and form one front against the attacks," he said.

An Alliance official said Taliban fighters had gained ground in fighting against opposition troops battling for days to advance on the key northern town of Mazar-i-Sharif.

The Taliban troops launched an offensive early on Friday.

"They have captured a small amount of territory, but we are still holding the Marmul area," opposition spokesman Mohammad Habeel told Reuters by satellite telephone, referring to a town and district some 20 miles (32 km) southeast of Mazar-i-Sharif.

Eight U.S. intelligence or reconnaissance personnel were on the ground with the Alliance in the north.

The raids have worsened an already perilous humanitarian situation, with aid agencies reporting hundreds of thousands of Afghans on the move inside the country and thousands trying to cross into neighbouring Pakistan or Iran.

86 posted on 10/20/2001 6:05:18 PM PDT by jokemoke
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To: The Raven
Paul Harris and Jason Burke, Peshawar

Sunday October 21, 2001

The Observer

The first sign that something had changed came on Friday. Unlike the previous week, there was no pause in the American bombing for the Muslim day of prayer. US attack aircraft prowled the skies above Kandahar, given the green light to go after random targets and troop formations. But among the bombs came leaflets, fluttering down to the battered and terrified people of the Taliban stronghold. They warned them to avoid potential military targets and stay in their homes. Then came four slow-moving EC-130CE planes, sweeping high over the city and broadcasting radio messages in Pashtu.

The tone was mocking and brutal as the signals cut into local frequencies with jamming equipment. The words were aimed at the Taliban fighters below, huddled over radio sets. 'You are condemned. Did you know that? The instant the terrorists you support took over our planes, you sentenced yourself to death,' they said. The war, barely two weeks old, was entering a bloody and dangerous new phase.

The attack came just after midnight yesterday: enough time for the day of prayer to have ended, but giving enough hours of darkness for the assault to be carried out during night-time. This time the aircraft would not be dropping bombs. They would be dropping highly trained, heavily armed men.

They had taken off a few hours earlier - reportedly from the aircraft carrier USS Kitty Hawk - heading north over the Indian Ocean and through Pakistani airspace. Joining them was an escort of AC-130s, the feared gunships which had been laying waste to Taliban positions around Kandahar since the start of the week. Helicopters, based at the newly opened Pakistani airstrip of Dalbandin, 125 miles from Kandahar, also flew in to join the mission.

As the planes and choppers flew in low over hills and mountains surrounding the city, at least 100 elite US Rangers slipped out and parachuted down out of the night sky. They descended silently, each man wearing night-vision goggles that would reveal the landscape below bathed in an eerie green light. His enemies - perhaps still not knowing what was happening - would have scanned the darkness in vain, looking for an attacker they could not see.

The target was Baba Sahib, a village of mud huts on a low hilltop about five miles from the city centre. It is the base of a small Taliban garrison set up to guard a home owned by the Taliban's spiritual leader, Mullah Omar. The houses have mud walls and straw roofs. The roads are potholed and difficult to pass. The only solid building of brick and concrete is Omar's house. But the village holds a special place in the psyche of the Afghans. It and the surrounding mountains were a stronghold of the anti-Russian forces during the Eighties.

First reports seem to indicate the attack was a surprise. For the Rangers, it was time to put years of dedicated practice into action. This was the moment they had been trained for.

If, as analysts believe, the raid was a 'dry-run' for future operations, this would have been vital to demonstrate that US forces can take and secure territory inside Afghanistan. As the Rangers landed they split up into their individual weapons teams and moved quickly to secure the area.

A typical company of Rangers is equipped with two 60mm mortars and three-man teams deploying an 84mm Carl Gustav anti-armour weapon. Each company is also complemented by a weapons platoon that includes a sniper section, consisting of two-man teams. A third team section employs a .50 calibre Barrett rifle capable of penetrating light armour.

If Taliban forces had any doubts as to what was happening, they would have been dispelled by the support fire of the AC-130s, backed up by the Nightstalker attack helicopters that accompany Rangers on all their missions. When the guns from the air opened up, they would have known a battle was on its way.

The AC-130s circled low overhead, always flying anti-clockwise so as to bring the full brunt of their weaponry down upon Taliban forces below. The gunships can put a round in every metre of an area the size of eight football pitches in a single pass. Their psychological effect is almost as crippling as their firepower.

But for the Rangers on the ground the AC-130s meant security. Reports from Kandahar spoke of huge amounts of gunfire and explosions from the region of the village. Flashes and bangs lit up the night sky and some residents reported seeing American ground troops taking up positions. Reports were still sketchy last night, but direct man-to-man fighting had broken out for the first time between the Taliban and US troops.

The Taliban yesterday said they had repulsed the attack and suffered no losses. But unofficial sources in Pakistan said the Taliban 'took a mauling', leaving more than 20 fighters dead.

The Rangers stayed on the ground for two to three hours. Then, with dawn still several hours away, the withdrawal began. Under the covering fire of the gunships, troop-carrying helicopters raced into the airstrip. The Rangers ran to the rescue craft before getting the all-clear to depart. Then - the mission complete - the helicopters lifted off, turning for the Pakistani border and safety.

As the smoke from the raid drifted away, the Rangers left behind them more fresh bullet-holes and shell craters around Kandahar, adding to the rubble already accumulated over two decades of war. It is unlikely it will be the last time the Rangers will be seen there.

Though each helicopter that flew to Afghanistan returned unharmed, there were American casualties - the first in the war, but probably not the last. Two US servicemen died when their helicopter crashed while on standby for any rescue operation. After being told about their deaths in a video link from the Pentagon to Shanghai, President George Bush hailed the dead men as heroes.

As word of the raid spread through Kandahar it became clear there was to be no respite for the tattered city. US aircraft returned to the city yesterday and the bombing resumed once again.

92 posted on 10/20/2001 6:14:48 PM PDT by jokemoke
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To: The Raven
We'll have to wait for the book, Blackhawk Up Yours.
143 posted on 10/20/2001 7:44:46 PM PDT by SevenDaysInMay
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To: The Raven
I'm like you. My curiosity is driving me crazy, but I know that it is better that we all just wait for the books that will follow after we're victorious.
151 posted on 10/20/2001 8:14:26 PM PDT by AZPubbie
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To: The Raven
I'd love to know what they're up to (Delta Force) ...but, alas....it's better if I (we) don't know. Some day !!!

I'll be happy to see the movie in several years. In the meantime Delta Force can make sure they leave pork rinds and bacon strips whereever they kill people in Afghanistan.

186 posted on 10/21/2001 12:16:58 AM PDT by Centurion2000
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