Is Michigan a Terror Stronghold?

MSNBC/NEWSWEEK ^ | Oct. 20 | Keith Naughton

[rebdov]

Oct. 20 — With one of the largest populations of Arabs outside the Middle East, Detroit and its surrounding suburbs have become fertile ground for terrorism fund-raising and recruiting. “The Detroit/Dearborn area is a major financial support center for many Mideast terrorist groups,” according to a Michigan State Police report obtained by NEWSWEEK. “Southeast Michigan is known as a lucrative recruiting area and potential support base for international terrorist groups. It is also conceivable that ‘sleeper cells’ may be located in that area of the state.”

[rebdov]

One problem law enforcement has is that non-American names have many, many ways to be spelled. Variants in one name can have maybe four or five variations. Take Mohammed. It may be Muhamed, Muhammed, Mohamed, Mouhamed, Mouhammed. And that's only the first name. And names and aliases can be passed around. One guy can get maybe ten different driver's licenses and pass them around. This is a big problem. Remember we rely only certified translations of birth certificates. Well, there could be a dozen certified versions.

[NoCurrentFreeperByThatName]

Uh oh! They are on to you! LOL!

[JCG]

Is Michigan a Terror Stronghold?

Here's a happy thought from Middle East expert Daniel Pipes:

    Islamists constitute a small but significant minority of Muslims, perhaps 10 to 15 per cent of the
    population. Many of them are peaceable in appearance, but they all must be considered
    potential killers.

How does 600,000 to 900,000 -- in our country -- potential killers sound?

Article here...

America's Fifth Column ... watch JIHAD! In America -- here

[rebdov]

"Very little in this report has any truth. "

It would be more helpful if you were to explicitly state the things that have no truth rather than a blanket no truth here. What do you find not to have verisimilitude?

[GuillermoX]

Better to have thousands of Arab terrorists come here than to offend a few non terrorist Arabs by not allowing any.

[gg188]

Islamists constitute a small but significant minority of Muslims, perhaps 10 to 15 per cent of the population. Many of them are peaceable in appearance, but they all must be considered potential killers.

Ten to fifteen percent of Mohammedans worldwide is 100 to 150 MILLION minimum. People in the USA better decide which is more important: political correctness or survival.

[JCG]

Ten to fifteen percent of Mohammedans worldwide is 100 to 150 MILLION minimum. People in the USA better decide which is more important: political correctness or survival.

Roger that.

America's Fifth Column ... watch JIHAD! In America -- here

[gg188]

Better to have thousands of Arab terrorists come here than to offend a few non terrorist Arabs by not allowing any.

Not to mention taking a chance on being perceived as anti-diversity or anti-Moslem. After all, diversity and political correctness are most important. Heck, we even changed the NAME of our war ("infinite justice") because the name hurt the feelings of the enemy.

[Righty1]

One way the Dearborn muslim/arabs raise money for jihad orgs is to smuggle illegals, mostly muslims, into the US across the Detroit River. I believe one of these vermin and his Canadian side kick were busted on Oct. 12. There was an article in the Free Press which I sent to M. Savage.

[Grig]

Large quantities of white powder are being made and shipped out of Ada Michigan as you read this. Is the FBI checking if Amway is a terrorist organization? :)

[Don Joe]

"It would be more helpful if you were to explicitly state the things that have no truth rather than a blanket no truth here. What do you find not to have verisimilitude?"

In "her" mind, there is no fifth column, only paranoid racists believe there is a fifth column, and anyone who dare speak the truth will be shot down in (virtual) flames by the spindoc "lady". Many are intimidated into silence by "her" tactics. Many are not.

The spindoc "lady" finds anything accurate about islamic terrorists and comes down on it like white on rice -- especially if the islamic terrorists in question are in Michigan.

It's uncanny. Either we've got the one person in the country who really believes the "peaceful religion" BS, or else we've got... something else.

Keep your eyes on this one.

(My only question is... naw, I'm not going there.)

[M. Thatcher]

Those groups, along with domestic “patriot groups” in Michigan

This story is nature's way of telling Michigan they need more domestic "patriot groups"

[Don Joe]

"America's Fifth Column ... watch JIHAD! In America"

Better yet, download it! By downloading it, you'll save the provider's bandwidth, because you'll be able to use the local file to show others, rather than have them view it online on the provider's dime. You'll also be able to ensure that this invaluable resource continues to exist in case the radical islamists succeed in driving it from that provider. I read earlier today that the last provider to carry it online has recently deleted it, even though many people are apparently wanting to view it.

To download with Internet Explorer, right-click on the link, and select "Save Target As..."

Please note that the above link is not the same one you've seen posted in various threads here to view it. You cannot download the RealPlayer format documentary using the normal link. I edited the above link to allow a download.

If you want to post a download link in other threads, use this syntax:

<a href="http://www.ou.org/ftprm/jihad.rm">America's Fifth Column ... download JIHAD! In America</a>

(And remember to pass along the instructions on how to download, and how to type the link!)

[Not Fooled]

"Those groups, along with domestic “patriot groups” in Michigan, combine to create 374 “potential-threat elements” statewide, the report says. A State Police spokesman describes such elements as individuals or groups who could engage in acts of terror."

And so it begins...

[Don Joe]

"Is the FBI checking if Amway is a terrorist organization? :)"

Anyone with a friend or family member who's involved with it knows the answer to that question! :)

[GuillermoX]

I'm especially glad that we didn't bomb on their Holy Day (Friday). Also, Ramadan is fast apporaching, we wouldn't want to offend the Peace Loving Muslims by carrying on Operation Offend No One.

[Don Joe]

"The FBI has investigated the Immams and various organizations that exist in Detroit and they've come up with zip."

Nice try, spindoc "lady". The guy who made that documentary -- currently living on the lam thanks to the fatwas put on him by the "peaceful religion" -- has been approached by the FBI, because they admit that they "come up with zip" because they can't just walk into the mosques -- which is where the terror pow-wows happen. He can, and he has, and now they want to kill him. But, he's gotten information that he's giving to the FBI that they cannot get on their own.

Your "come up with zip" statement is more of your typical spin, spindoc "lady".

If the islamists wanted to pay for a spindoc presence on FreeRepublic, they couldn't do any better than you provide here day in and day out, presumably for free, putatively on your own initiative. I must say that it is very curious to find someone who is apparently an American sitting here posting apologetics for the enemy fifth column on a daily basis.

People need to keep their eye on you.

[yooper]

Yeah, Dearborn has many Arab residents, and according to a good friend who works for Chrysler, many of these Arabs will not, under any circumstances, condemn bin Laden. They actually believe that the Mossad staged the 911 attacks!

I live about 2 miles from the Soo Locks; we had a scare there last week which turned out to be nothing. The same thing happened when a threat to blow up the international bridge was investigated. My advice to Arab terrorists: stay away from Michigan's Upper Peninsula. Most everyone here owns several guns and we won't hesitate to use them on you.

Meanwhile, I'm continuing on with life as it was prior to 911; I've made eight trips to Canada since the attacks, and I refuse to let these bastards keep me from doing what I was doing prior to 911.

I urge everyone else to do the same........

[Don Joe]

Curiouser and curiouser bump.

[JCG]

Bump! Where can I read more by Daniel Pipes as he seems like a sensible guy who may have good
suggestions on how to defeat teh terrorists?

http://www.danielpipes.org/

America's Fifth Column ... watch JIHAD! In America -- here

[Don Joe]

"Where can I read more by Daniel Pipes...?"

Here: http://www.danielpipes.org

[Sabertooth]

I'm not getting anything about jihad when I click your link.

[Don Joe]

I just tried it and it's still working. Do you have RealPlayer installed on your computer? You need RealPlayer to view it.

[DonPaulJones]

Question for the FBI: My wife and I consider ourselves patriots. We love our country and are proud to be Americans. Does this now make us a threat to national security???? (Uh oh, I'm also an NRA member...)

[Sabertooth]

I've got RealPlayer.

Here's what I'm getting when I click the link. It takes me to this address:

pnm://www.ou.org/ftprm/jihad.rm

Followed by these two graphic links, neither of which takes me to anything called jihad.

What's the address you're getting?

[rebdov]

The word Patriot makes you dead meat. Add the words Tax protestor and the IRS/ATF will visit. Talk about Ruby Ridge and your one room shanty will become a compound.

I hear you.

[Don Joe]

When I click that link, it downloads the .ra file, and then starts up RealPlayer, and runs the file in it.

The .ram file is a tiny text file that contains a pointer to the .ra file, using a pnm:// protocol rather than http:// -- the link I posted is a direct link to the .ra file, but with an http:// protocol, so that you can download it. You might be able to view it by left-clicking on the link I posted, but it sounds like something's corrupted with your RealPlayer installation -- it should automatically launch the app and play the file.

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

I don't see anything contrary in this article. It's right on the money.

[Sabertooth]

My RealPlayer is working, but I have a Mac. Wonder if that's the problem.

[Stefan Stackhouse]

Please remember that the majority of Arab-Americans are Christians. It is not ARAB-AMERICANS per se who are potentially our enemies, but rather MUSLIMS.

[WRhine]

Nice try, spindoc "lady". The guy who made that documentary -- currently living on the lam thanks to the fatwas put on him by the "peaceful religion" -- has been approached by the FBI, because they admit that they "come up with zip" because they can't just walk into the mosques -- which is where the terror pow-wows happen. He can, and he has, and now they want to kill him. But, he's gotten information that he's giving to the FBI that they cannot get on their own.

Thanks for the low down on this Don. And I agree about the "spin doc" lady. The only time I ever see her post on FR it is to defend Muslims. I also have a hard time believing her story that her husband works or used to work in the terrorist unit of the FBI. Doesn't sound true for obvious reasons. She is a low budget attempt to inject disinformation about Muslim activities on the Internet.

[Don Joe]

Free scoop, spindoc "lady" -- the meshuggenahs running around in the woods with their beer bellies hanging out of their camo-pants may be nutzo, but they don't fly airplanes into office buildings.

Your pet moslems, on the other hand...

[Don Joe]

"Mark my words, somebody is coming after the Patriots."

The patriots are currently gunning down your moslem cohorts in Afghanistan from the safety and comfort of their helicopter gunships.

And the patriots in New York are digging the bodies of their countrymen -- crushed to death by your fanatic moslem cohorts -- out of the rubble that fell on 9/11.

Someone is coming after them? I pity the fools.

[WRhine]

Mark my words, somebody is coming after the Patriots. If you're too blind to see it, so be it.

Care to expand on this cryptic comment?

[riley1992]

Not me. I am way too lazy to be a terrorist. Besides, it was require me actually logging off of here and accomplishing something. Not gonna happen. LOL

[rebdov]

If I am not mistaken Christian Arabs joined the Muslims protesting sanctions against Iraq. Tariq Azziz,Saddam's mouthpiece is a Christian Arab.

[Diva]

"If I am not mistaken Christian Arabs joined the Muslims protesting sanctions against Iraq. Tariq Azziz,Saddam's mouthpiece is a Christian Arab."

If you could give a source for this statement I would appreciate it. I live and work with a number of Caldeans in Metro Detroit.

[WhiteyAppleseed]

Believe it or not, a couple were picked up in Copper Harbor shortly after the 11th, ostensibly on their way to Isle Royale, though I'm unsure of their nationality, and I've heard nothing of them since....(Copper Harbor is in Keweenaw County, and over the winter, I don't think the population is over one hundred.) But then, maybe they were interested in doing some reconnoitering of Manitou Island, where the military is engaged in the training of a highly specialized team of foxy urban bunnies in pink spandex. These are not your usual foxy urban bunnies, no, but a genetically-altered combo of the fabled swamp ape and the jackolope, a kind of fuzzy-tailed spec-op warrior able to infiltrate caverns with ease. A bin laden tally-whacker in the form of a CPR dummy is used to keep the spec-op, foxy bunny swamp apes content...they are keen on ripping the rubber heart from said dummy and throwing it deeper into the darkness of the cave

All I can think to say to the terrorists who may be lurking here is: Be uh-fraid, be very uh-fraid!

[rebdov]

"Who is the unusual leader that serves as one of the most powerful diplomats of the Middle East? He is a Christian Arab that has cultivated a smooth, cosmopolitan manner and traveled extensively (Yeltiv 136). He usually wears a traditional suit and tie for press conferences and Western television interviews. In addition, he majored in English literature at Baghdad University and even served as a secondary school teacher (Fox News). Could this description actually be precise in revealing Saddam Hussein's right-hand man and most loyal ally in the Baath Party? Yes, this is the accurate description of Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz who not only faithfully serves Hussein, but who also plays a key role in the progression of Iraq.

Tariq Aziz was born in 1936 in the northern Iraqi City of Tell Kaif, near Mosul. He was named Michael Yuhanna but later changed his name to the known title of Tariq Aziz, which means "glorious past" to achieve acceptance within the Muslim majority (Fox News). Aziz first met Hussein in the 1950s when he became involved with the revolutionary Baath Party that seized power in Iraq by overthrowing the British installed monarchy (Fox News). Aziz served as a propagandist and editor of the Baath Party newspaper, "al -Thawra," which means "the revolution" in Arabic (Yeltiv 136). When the Baath Party seized power in Iraq in 1968, it was only natural for the cultivated Aziz, a master negotiator and loyal Baththist, to rise to prominence in Iraqi politics. While Aziz has currently served as Depute Prime Minister of Iraq since 1979, he served as a member of the Regional Command (the Baath party's highest governing unit) from 1974-1977 (Fox News). In addition, Aziz was named Foreign Minister in 1983 during the Iraq/Iran War (Fox News). As the present Deputy Prime Minister of Iraq, Tariq Aziz's role is primarily chief diplomat; he explains and defends Iraq's policies to the world and shows loyalty to President Hussein. For example, Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz met with United States Secretary of State James Baker in Geneva, Switzerland prior to the United States led-attack on Iraq in 1990. At this meeting, Aziz refused to take George Bush's letter to Hussein because Aziz viewed it as insulting to his president (Baker 354-365). While some efforts by Aziz have been successful in achieving peace and stability, many political leaders believe Aziz is a mere mouthpiece of Saddam Hussein (Fox News). Therefore, Aziz's influence is questionable concerning his role as Deputy Prime Minister, for he also had no problem supporting Saddam's brutal policies on the homefront during the Gulf Crisis. Aziz places much emphasis on national self-determination and free will.

He condemned fellow Arab states for what he calls, "subservience to United States hegemony in the Middle East and their support for punitive sanctions," imposed against Iraq by the United Nations since 1990 (ABC News). To explain, according to the United States Energy Information Administration, Iraq was producing over 3-million b/d and exporting 2.8 million b/d, prior to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Iraq's oil exports were forbidden by the United Nations Security Council Resolution 661. In April 1995, the Security Council passed Resolution 986, which allows limited Iraqi oil exports for humanitarian needs and war reparations to Kuwait. These exports have drastically increased since February 20, 1998 to 5.265 billion over a 180-day period (USA Energy Information Administration). While Iraq may be "reaping the profits" of the increased exports and Tariq Aziz's desire for national self-determination is being fulfilled, the international oil economy is suffering from the low oil prices (a direct result of increased Iraqi exports). Regarding the sanctions, Aziz believes the United Nations sanctions are not indicative of the United Nations but are being implemented as the result of United States governmental policies (PBS News). Therefore, he supported the expulsion of Americans working for the United Nations Special Commissions (UNSCOM) in 1997. Aziz furthermore argues that the invasion of Kuwait in 1990 was necessary because the increased oil production of Kuwait dampened Iraqi oil revenues (PBS News). According to Aziz, previous to the Kuwait invasion, Iraq was actually trying to rebuild its country from the long and expensive war with Iran, along with serving as a model of an effective modern state (PBS News). Last, Aziz's attitude towards Israel is one of disapproval. While Aziz supports the diplomatic efforts conducted by Israel and the Arab states, he is an ardent supporter of liberation for the occupied territories. Hopefully, the oil policies and international relationships practiced by Iraq are more evident as a result of this role profile analysis of Tariq Aziz. There is opportunity for Aziz to play many upcoming roles as the "mouthpiece" of Hussein with the arrival of lifted sanctions. What will the lifted sanctions, resulting in new oil and gas development in Iraq by countries such as Russia, China, and France, mean for Iraq? Obviously, the policy of self-determination sponsored by Aziz will accelerate, while hope for increased international oil prices may grow dimmer.

[rebdov]

On a Google search you will find quite a few articles documenting this, -- Oakland County residents will commemorate the 10-year anniversary of the Persian Gulf War this weekend with a silent march and public discussion of whether it's time to end the sanctions that have crippled Iraq for the past decade. /menulede--> ; Signs are prepared for a protest marking the 10th anniversary of the Gulf War./caption--> Peace Action to march against Iraq sanctions - 01/11/01

Thursday, January 11, 2001

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Peace Action to march against Iraq sanctions
Ferndale group says policy hurts innocent

Bridget Barrett

Brad van Guilder, left, state organizer for Peace Action of Michigan, and Jeff Nelson, racism and Human Rights coordinator for Groundwork, will participate in the march.

Gulf War anniversary

   The Silent March and Forum to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the Persian Gulf War begins at 10:45 a.m. Saturday in the parking lot of St. James Church in Ferndale, on Woodward, just south of Nine Mile. At noon, there will be a forum to discuss the social, political and ethical issues of UN sanctions against Iraq. For information, call (313) 297-8808.

Bridget Barrett

Signs are prepared for a protest marking the 10th anniversary of the Gulf War.

By Jennifer Brooks / The Detroit News

    FERNDALE -- Oakland County residents will commemorate the 10-year anniversary of the Persian Gulf War this weekend with a silent march and public discussion of whether it's time to end the sanctions that have crippled Iraq for the past decade.
   "There is no reason for the Iraqi people to be suffering like this," said Brad van Guilder, a physicist-turned-activist who heads the Ferndale-based group Peace Action of Michigan. He has seen the suffering first hand. In December 1999, he joined other activists from Metro Detroit on an inspection tour of the devastated country.
   There they saw schools shattered by bombs, and cities reeking with raw sewage because the country has been unable to rebuild its water and sanitation systems. And everywhere, he said, he saw children dying.
   "Why are you doing this to us? Why?" one father screamed at him during a tour through a Baghdad hospital. The man clutched a blood-soaked rag that his leukemia-stricken daughter had been coughing into all day. With medical supplies in short supply because of the sanctions, the death rate from leukemia is almost 100 percent, he said.
   The Ferndale group is coordinating Metro Detroit Against Sanctions, one of many groups across the nation calling for an end to the sanctions. Since the war, at least 10,000 Iraqi refugees have flooded into Metro Detroit -- many of them doctors and other white-collar professionals who have gone on to make their homes in Oakland.
   The Chaldean Federation of America in Southfield estimates there are 120,000 Chaldeans living in Metro Detroit, the vast majority in Oakland County.
   Back home, they leave a country where 1.2 million civilians have died of hunger, disease and deprivation since the end of the Gulf War, which began on Jan. 18, 1991, with the first air strikes of Operation Desert Storm against Iraq.
   "We must ask ourselves, 'Who are the sanctions hurting?' They're hurting the Iraqi people," said Anan Ameri of the Arab Community Center for Economic and Social Services. "Is it not enough that they are suffering under a bad leader? We are punishing them for having a bad leader."
   Two U.S. administrations have insisted that sanctions will remain in place as long as Saddam Hussein remains in power.
   But the allies also acknowledge the terrible toll sanctions have taken on Iraqi civilians.
   The "oil-for-food" program allows Iraq to sell up to $5.2 billion worth of oil every six months, through a UN escrow account, in exchange for food, medicine, and other humanitarian supplies. A third of the revenue also goes to Kuwait as war reparations and to reimburse the United Nations for its monitoring efforts.
   U.S. officials say Hussein has not taken full advantage of the program, but in the first eight years, the program helped Iraq purchase $2.75 billion worth of supplies for water purification, sanitation, electricity and education program.


You can reach Jennifer Brooks at (248) 647-8825 or jbrooks@detnews.com.