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If you think Bin Laden is extreme - some Muslims want to kill him because he's soft
The Sunday Times - UK ^ | Oct 21, 2001 | Nicholas Hellen

Posted on 10/20/2001 11:58:26 PM PDT by RightlySo

IF YOU thought Osama Bin Laden's brand of Islamic fundamentalism was as extreme as it gets, think again. A rival group of Muslim terrorists exists which regards him as an infidel who has sold out.

Bin Laden's declaration of war against the West has failed to impress Takfir wal-Hijra, an ultra-hardcore group that has won a reputation for unbridled savagery in Egypt and Sudan.

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Its fundamentalism is so extreme that members have embarked on killing sprees in mosques against fellow Muslims in the belief that a pure Islamic state can be built only if the corrupt elements of the last one are wiped out.

In this they see Bin Laden and his followers as pragmatists who are "excessively liberal". To drive the point home, four of its members pulled up in a pick-up truck outside his house in Sudan in 1995, spraying it with bullets in an effort to kill him.

Ironically, militant Muslims in Britain who have been happy to endorse Bin Laden's attacks on western society are indignant at the prospect of the Takfir threatening them.

"They are nothing but a bunch of extremists," said Abu Hamza, the claw-handed radical preacher at Finsbury Park mosque in north London, who outraged public opinion in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center by describing them as an act of "self-defence".

Hamza, who has encouraged young Muslims to take up a jihad against the West, is concerned about the Takfir's irrational aggression.

"They kill Muslims," he said last week. "These people create nothing and destroy everything. It is not right to be as harsh as they are. These people want to be judges and executioners."

Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed, who runs Al-Muhajiroun, an organisation devoted to creating an international Muslim superstate, to include Britain, was equally upset about Takfir last week.

"They are fanatics," said the man whose organisation, based in a Tottenham industrial estate, has denied endorsing attacks on Tony Blair after the bombing of Afghanistan started. "They cannot be compared to Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda, who have many eminent scholars behind them."

Takfir was founded by Shukri Mustafa, a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, who was imprisoned in the mid-1960s and joined the radical disciples of Qutb while in prison. He built the Takfir - the full title of which means "repentance and isolation" - on his release in 1971.

Mustafa was executed after he kidnapped and murdered an Egyptian government minister in 1978. In the early 1980s President Hosni Mubarak attempted to crush his terrorist group by arresting 350 suspected members, but many escaped into the deserts of north Africa.

During its 30-year existence, the Takfir has repeatedly attacked fellow Muslims as part of a drive to cleanse the Islamic world in preparation for building a new and pure Islamic state. Last December, one of its adherents shot 23 worshippers in a mosque of the pacifist Ansar al-Sunna sect, near the Sudanese capital of Khartoum.

Takfir fanatics have carried out two other attacks on Ansar's mosques since 1996, apparently because they disagree with its peaceful approach.

According to the Takfir's twisted logic, the failure of existing Muslim regimes to impose full sharia - Islamic law - means they and their citizens are rebelling against God's sovereignty. While scholars accept an individual's right to interpret the Koran, leaving the ultimate judgment to God, Takfir denounces all but those who copy the behaviour of the prophet Muhammad as infidels and promises to kill them.

Takfir has attempted to justify its violence by claiming it is necessary to demolish Islam before reconstructing it in a purer form.

Its hostility to Bin Laden first erupted in Sudan in the mid-1990s. Bin Laden settled there in 1991 after fighting the Russians in Afghanistan. He spent five years in the country building businesses and his Al-Qaeda terrorist organisation before being expelled in 1996.

A year before he left he was attacked at his home in Khartoum by four Takfir members who drove up in a Toyota Hilux pick-up at about 4pm brandishing Kalashnikovs. They were on their way home, having killed 12 Muslims at a local mosque.

Eyewitnesses say they opened fire on the house and another occupied by Bin Laden's fighters, but his guards were alert and fought back. Four of them died, as did three of the four Takfir members. The fourth was captured by the Sudanese police and hanged.

"After that action, Bin Laden closed the road," said Amar Osman, a local man who witnessed the attack. "Trenches were dug at either end of the street, closing it to all vehicles - and after midnight even pedestrians were stopped, questioned and searched.

"A partial barricade also went up on the side street that entered the block opposite Bin Laden's house, reducing access to a single lane. You could get in but not out."

Six years on, the feud may now be resumed because the Takfir are said to be "angered" at Bin Laden's leadership of a "compromised jihad". One senior Sudanese government source, familiar with the previous attempt to kill Bin Laden in Khartoum, said last week: "They regard him as a sellout. While he concentrates his attention on freeing Saudi Arabia of American bases, the Takfir think that everything in contemporary Muslim society is corrupt and should be destroyed."

A Whitehall source with close knowledge of the Takfir said: "They do not regard the Taliban as representative of Islam. They do not take kindly to religion being hijacked for political purposes."


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Good God. We've got some serious housecleaning to do on this planet!
1 posted on 10/20/2001 11:58:26 PM PDT by RightlySo (rightlyso@hotmail.com)
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I am a little tired so don't take this personally but, is the 'search' function really so hard to use? This was posted at 4pm and already has 51 comments.
3 posted on 10/21/2001 12:10:36 AM PDT by KingKongCobra
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To: RightlySo; Lent; patent; Manny Festo; FITZ; dennisw; rebdov; Kaj
I think we are heading for a de facto "quarantine" of much of the Islamic world.

Upcoming US anti-terrorist strikes in other muslim nations will lead to the lynchings of Westerners in most islamic nations. This will lead to a withdrawal of Western tourists and businessmen, and travel and trade will collapse. Visas for visitors from the terrorist islamic nations to the West will be severely curtailed or stopped altogether.

With no more handy Western targets, and no way to get to the West for jihad, ultimately these hate filled vipers' nests will turn their bile inward against themselves as we have seen in Afghanistan, Somalia, and Algeria. In ten years, most of the major islamic cities may resemble Mogadishu or Kabul.

The suffering if innocents will be immense as the various fanatical death cult factions battle over the ashes and rubble, but this time Western aid will not be coming.

Islam has a death wish, and it is going to die by its own hand.

4 posted on 10/21/2001 12:11:36 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: RightlySo
Reminds me of an ongoing joke in our house...you know you're bad if:

Bill Clinton tells you that you have a sex problem
Robert Downey Jr. tells you that you have a drug problem
Calista Flockhart calls you skinny
Osama Bin Laden calls you a terrorist!

5 posted on 10/21/2001 12:17:38 AM PDT by goodieD
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I think we are heading for a de facto "quarantine" of much of the Islamic world.

The open question which remains is HOW "MUCH?" It will depend on the local political situation. Anywhere the terror faction gain the upper hand, then yes they must be fully quarantined. Some Muslim nations can remain in the civilized world, eg. Turkey, unless things go badly haywire.

6 posted on 10/21/2001 12:48:33 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Travis McGee
I think we are heading for a de facto "quarantine" of much of the Islamic world.

This might well happen, but it will not help - they are already here, they are everywhere.

7 posted on 10/21/2001 12:58:00 AM PDT by eclectic
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After another 9-11 level event, we will deal with the death cultists on our soil.
8 posted on 10/21/2001 1:10:47 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: RightlySo
and all,

Put this in your pipe. These 'chromosomally challenged mental midgets with bad attitudes not even human bipeds' are so whacked that their latest game is about out terrorizing each other ..... and yet they're smart enough to have us over a barrel in our own country. Who's more nuts?

9 posted on 10/21/2001 1:20:25 AM PDT by mercy
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To: Travis McGee
About that suffering of innocents thing. I'm about one terrorist attack away from deciding that evil can be genetic. I'm already getting so that when CNN starts showing the starving kids in Ashcanistan I'm thinking 'future terrorist'. I don't feel good about it yet but it's coming.
10 posted on 10/21/2001 1:26:15 AM PDT by mercy
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To: RightlySo

Quote of the Day by Common Tator

11 posted on 10/21/2001 1:27:55 AM PDT by RJayneJ
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To: Travis McGee
After another 9-11 level event, we will deal with the death cultists on our soil.

I'd say no need to wait. This will happen sooner or later. Bioterror attack is already under way. Terrible times lie ahead. The only positive thing right now is that many people do realize the danger finally

12 posted on 10/21/2001 1:30:26 AM PDT by eclectic
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To: HKUSP9mm
When we eliminate the Taliban, too bad there won't be a simulcast transmission of the Muslims blowing up the Meteorite in Mecca, setting of fireworks in Cairo, and attacking mullahs and imams that called for the extermination of the West and its values.
15 posted on 10/21/2001 2:10:49 AM PDT by Skywalk
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To: HKUSP9mm
One last thing. Is this for real? Are we sure this isn't an Onion piece?

This is quite believable. Islamists kill people (Muslims and non-Muslims) in Algeria, Egypt and Sudan all the time by tens and hundreds

16 posted on 10/21/2001 2:12:27 AM PDT by eclectic
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To: truth_seeker
"Some Muslim nations can remain in the civilized world, eg. Turkey, unless things go badly haywire."

Jordan too, unless the Royal Barber decides to part his hair sideways below his chin. (Which given the sturm und drang over there lately may be a valid concern.)

17 posted on 10/21/2001 2:38:08 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: Travis McGee
"After another 9-11 level event, we will deal with the death cultists on our soil."

I'm quite concerned that our next 9-11 event may be a 10-31 event.

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Note that in one case, a large amount was *returned*, and put back on the shelf after being "checked". Did they check *every* piece of it? Impossible, IMO.

18 posted on 10/21/2001 2:43:01 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: mercy
"Put this in your pipe. These 'chromosomally challenged mental midgets with bad attitudes not even human bipeds' are so whacked that their latest game is about out terrorizing each other ..... and yet they're smart enough to have us over a barrel in our own country. Who's more nuts?"

I liken such comparisons to a fine Swiss watch. It takes a skilled craftsman several months to build a watch, but any fool with a ball peen hammer can destroy it in the twinking of an eye.

We live in a wristwatch civilization, and the barbarians at the gate just discovered the hammer.

As Cheney said in [Washtimes article], "The notion of deterrence doesn't really apply here. There's no treaty to be negotiated, there's no arms control agreement that's going to guarantee our safety and security. The only way you can deal with them is to destroy them." [emphasis mine] [FR thread "CIA Told to Do 'Whatever Necessary' to Kill Bin Laden" here]

19 posted on 10/21/2001 2:51:09 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: mercy
"I'm about one terrorist attack away from deciding that evil can be genetic."

Not genetic, but so culturally ingrained that it might as well be. At the rate things are going, it's just a question of time before "maggots grow up to be flies" and "nits grow up to be lice" will be polite colloquialisms.

20 posted on 10/21/2001 2:53:27 AM PDT by Don Joe
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