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Should Conservatives Support Rudeness? Why booing Senator Clinton is beneath us.
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Posted on 10/23/2001 1:51:57 PM PDT by watsonfellow

First of all, to prevent the flamings, I should say that I am a strong conservative, and my number one issue is the life issue and so I am not at all a supporter of the Clintons etc.

That being said, I thought it the height of rudeness for these firemen and policemen to boo and yell at the Senator this weekend. It lacked dignity and class. I thought we conservatives were supposed to stand for such things, or perhaps this is just what we say, but do not practice.

I wonder what Burke et al would have said about this conservative embrace of very questionable manners.

The policemen and firemen should have just done nothing when she appeared on stage, no clapping, no booing, the silence would have expressed the same thing, but in a much more dignified way.


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1 posted on 10/23/2001 1:51:59 PM PDT by watsonfellow
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To: watsonfellow
Booooooooooooo!
2 posted on 10/23/2001 1:53:07 PM PDT by andrew
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To: watsonfellow
I'd feel a LOT better if I could just nuke her.
3 posted on 10/23/2001 1:53:13 PM PDT by GEC
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To: watsonfellow
With due respect to your opinion, these men have been through almost two months of hell and responded to Hillary the same way that most of us have gone through a lesser hell with her and the i42 for eight would love to get the chance to do.
4 posted on 10/23/2001 1:54:30 PM PDT by LisaFab
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To: watsonfellow
I thought it the height of rudeness for these firemen and policemen to boo and yell at the Senator this weekend.

Not all of us are as fond of rolling on our belly as you seem to be.

5 posted on 10/23/2001 1:54:50 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: watsonfellow
are you kidding? She shouldn't just be booed - she (and Sick Willie) should be thoroughly mocked & verbally flogged in public.
6 posted on 10/23/2001 1:54:56 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: watsonfellow
Hsssssssssssssssssssssssss!
7 posted on 10/23/2001 1:55:04 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: watsonfellow
I don't like being in the position to defend Hillary, but I agree with you. She has been verbally supportive (even very supportive) of W, sincere or not I'm grateful for that.
8 posted on 10/23/2001 1:55:04 PM PDT by Media2Powerful
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To: watsonfellow
When you have people like the CLintons that refuse to get a clue, this is the only option and I support it wholeheartedly. I say that witch had better be glad there was no produce in the crowd!
9 posted on 10/23/2001 1:55:06 PM PDT by lawgirl
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To: watsonfellow
The bitch got everything she deserved
10 posted on 10/23/2001 1:56:06 PM PDT by deathtoallterrorists
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To: watsonfellow
BOOOOO

11 posted on 10/23/2001 1:56:06 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: Media2Powerful
I don't like being in the position to defend Hillary, but I agree with you. She has been verbally supportive (even very supportive) of W, sincere or not I'm grateful for that.

Were you still drinking heavily when President Bush addressed the nation and Hillary did her impression of a 3 year old who has to go to the bathroom?

12 posted on 10/23/2001 1:56:34 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: watsonfellow
I'm quite sure that spitting in her face would be rude but hardly inappropriate.
13 posted on 10/23/2001 1:56:45 PM PDT by MassExodus
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To: watsonfellow
At first blush what you suggest is reasonable. However upon reflection, one must note that Ms. Hillary has isolated herself from contact with the masses. She neither holds herself available for contact or questioning except in very tightly controlled circumstances. She takes the additional step, unique among her Senatorial colleagues, and has retained Secret Service protection. Further, the so-called national press assists her in her "public isolation." It is only at these rare times that a public "dialogue" can take place and in such a manner. In short, to hell with her and her sensitivities.
14 posted on 10/23/2001 1:57:19 PM PDT by magoo_70115
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To: LisaFab
Yes it is true, they have been through hell.

At the same time, as wrong as her opinions and policies are and as corrupt as she may be, she is NOT Osama Bin Laden, she is not the enemy (although she may be a political opponent).

She is the elected Senator of the People and State of New York and as such must (even though I and many others strongly, strongly, strongly disagree with her) be accorded respect and civility.

We get mad when Liberals are rude to our guys and our people, and so we must not descend to their level.

15 posted on 10/23/2001 1:57:21 PM PDT by watsonfellow
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To: watsonfellow
I agree. They shouldn't have booed that bitch.
16 posted on 10/23/2001 1:57:48 PM PDT by The_Republican
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To: LisaFab
This is the same hillary who shows support for Al Sharpton a man who has bashed the cops for the last twenty years and she expects not to be booed???? Even at one point making up a story about a woman being raped by one!
17 posted on 10/23/2001 1:58:34 PM PDT by Libertarian_4_eva
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To: watsonfellow
If you click on this guy's name, you will find a pompous weenie who tells us that he is "traipsing about Europe presently."

Message to watsonfellow: You have absolutely nothing to say. Zero. So shut your piehole.

18 posted on 10/23/2001 1:58:36 PM PDT by BCrago66
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To: watsonfellow
In college she edited a newspaper that ran a cartoon ostensibly supporting the murder of police officers, or 'pigs;' since she never apologized, let alone acknowledged that, perhaps they just assumed she still supported the murder of police officers as a legitimate extension of politics.

I'd probably boo that too...

19 posted on 10/23/2001 1:58:47 PM PDT by JohnGalt
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To: LisaFab
Sorry, but Hellary would have believed that silence showed reverence for her almighty self. What an arrogant hag to think that her appearance would be a delight to those assembled.
20 posted on 10/23/2001 1:58:51 PM PDT by mysterylover
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To: LisaFab
Sorry, but Hellary would have believed that silence showed reverence for her almighty self. What an arrogant hag to think that her appearance would be a delight to those assembled.
21 posted on 10/23/2001 1:58:52 PM PDT by mysterylover
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To: Media2Powerful
She's only supportive of W because the polls tell her that's the right thing to do!
22 posted on 10/23/2001 1:59:05 PM PDT by irishfest
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To: watsonfellow
On the other hand....

After reading everyone else's comments I am reminded of what my sister said, "she showed no mercy, she and Bill, in attacking everyone who got in there way when their personal and political goals warranted it..."

I just think of Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broaddrick, Linda Tripp, etc...(Paula "turned out to be a porno queen" Jones too) and it makes feel she is all too deserving of the booing....AND THEN SOME.

23 posted on 10/23/2001 1:59:12 PM PDT by Media2Powerful
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To: watsonfellow
So a Conservative should:
Tolerate lies and deceit
Stand quietly and listen to a self-absorbed, self-appointed 'leader' lecture them on patriotism
Give attention and applause to a politician who injects (ie. imposes) herself on an event designed to raise money for victims.
Politely and graciously accept comments from this degenerate

I am not that kind of Conservative. I am a "BAD American", and proud of it. (See numerous threads on Bad Americans).

24 posted on 10/23/2001 1:59:13 PM PDT by Hodar
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To: watsonfellow
I support booing, it beats the hell out of spitballs!!!!!!
25 posted on 10/23/2001 1:59:13 PM PDT by MadelineZapeezda
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To: watsonfellow
By the Left's logic it is unamerican not to boo her if you are expressing dissent. Burning a flag...now that's rude.
26 posted on 10/23/2001 1:59:21 PM PDT by solon_where_r_u
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To: watsonfellow
The policemen and firemen should have just done nothing when she appeared on stage, no clapping, no booing, the silence would have expressed the same thing, but in a much more dignified way.

You probably eat french fries with a fork.

27 posted on 10/23/2001 1:59:36 PM PDT by Eddeche
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To: watsonfellow
I don't get it? Why is it alright for nutty liberals to boo Kathryn Harris and it's not ok to boo hitlery?!

Ohhh I remember why now, liberals only believe in freedom of expression when it suits them.

Dissent is only welcome when it comes from them.

And popular speech takes precident over free speech.

28 posted on 10/23/2001 1:59:36 PM PDT by Tempest
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To: watsonfellow
Some people, by their character, demand that they be treated with dignity even in disagreement, others......
29 posted on 10/23/2001 1:59:39 PM PDT by TXBubba
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To: watsonfellow
Booing her was polite.
30 posted on 10/23/2001 1:59:50 PM PDT by b4its2late
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To: watsonfellow
would you have preferred they gleefully clapped and cheered for her? Maybe... yes, maybe being totally silent would have been an effective alternative to the booing, but applause and cheering, no way!
31 posted on 10/23/2001 2:00:37 PM PDT by luckymom
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To: watsonfellow
She is the epitome of lack of dignity by her mere being. SHE lacked dignity by even showing her ugly mug in that auditorium. She EARNED those boo's.
32 posted on 10/23/2001 2:00:37 PM PDT by BlueHorseShoe
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To: watsonfellow
The firemen and policemen are adults who have the right to express the way they feel. It is inappropriate and condescending to censor and scold these heroes.
33 posted on 10/23/2001 2:00:45 PM PDT by motherof 3
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To: BCrago66
Real men don't "traipse".
34 posted on 10/23/2001 2:00:49 PM PDT by solon_where_r_u
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To: watsonfellow
Rude? Who's being rude? That's how we New Yorkers always greet each other!:

Hey Hillary!

‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^›

35 posted on 10/23/2001 2:00:52 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: watsonfellow
As I recall, at one of Clinton's State of the Union addresses during the impeachment crisis, Republican senators and congresspersons decided that they didn't want to look rude by booing, sitting on their hands, and the like, so they just didn't attend the speech.

That would have left a lot of empty seats, but Clinton and Daschle merely packed the Republican side of the house with Democrats, and as a result it appeared as if he was getting more cheers than ever before. Naturally the media liars said nothing about what was happening, but covered up for clinton.

These people have no shame. They don't play by the rules. Give them the smallest opportunity, and they will screw you.

If I had been at the concert, I would have booed with the best of them. These scum understand no language other than PUBLIC shaming that even the media are unable to cover up.

36 posted on 10/23/2001 2:01:20 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: watsonfellow
When I think about what Hillary's done (or had done) to anyone who's gotten in her way down the years, booing strikes me as an extraordinarily restrained response.
37 posted on 10/23/2001 2:01:33 PM PDT by Uncle Fud
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To: watsonfellow
BTW: If you held yourself to the same standard, your "look-at-me-I'm-a-watson-fellow" screen name is a huge breach of etiquette. (The strict etiquette you pretend to advocate requires extreme modesty and humility.)

Now, I like your screen name and don't think it is impolite. By true etiquette standards however, your actions are impolite.

BTW: public admonitions of others for their supposed breaches of etiquette are themselves breaches of etiquette.

38 posted on 10/23/2001 2:01:34 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: jwalsh07
Yeah, you're right. It makes me cringe to see anyone get publically humiliated, but, I know you're right. The Clinton's never cared about innocents when they possessed the power to crush. Their motives were selfish and political, so, I guess what goes around comes around.

I do not know WHAT she was thinking during that speech, but she was terribly rude.

39 posted on 10/23/2001 2:01:34 PM PDT by Media2Powerful
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To: watsonfellow
Sorry my dear Watson....She, and he have deserved that and more from the American public for 9 years. It tsted good and I loved it!!!

Mike

40 posted on 10/23/2001 2:01:40 PM PDT by MichaelP
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To: watsonfellow
I think that perhaps the police might still be a trifle miffed that she called four of them "murderers" during the jury selection process of the Amadou Diallo trial -- even though they were soon acquitted, and by a jury in the Bronx.

Say, do you have any Grey Poupon over on your yacht? ;->

41 posted on 10/23/2001 2:02:06 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick
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To: watsonfellow
Scum bag liberal pieces of crap such as Hitlery reap what they sow. They booed her? They should have stoned the witch.
42 posted on 10/23/2001 2:02:57 PM PDT by DonPaulJones
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To: watsonfellow
That being said, I thought it the height of rudeness for these firemen and policemen to boo and yell at the Senator this weekend. It lacked dignity and class. I thought we conservatives were supposed to stand for such things, or perhaps this is just what we say, but do not practice.

(a)You have no idea of the political makeup of the policemen and firemen there. You also have no idea WHY they were booing, do you? Might not have anything to do with liberal vs. conservative, but with their personal frustration with her behavior toward them since 9/11 and before.

(b)We're not their keepers. And if any of these guys wants to blow off steam by booing their senator (who they might now feel they were tricked into voting for), it's just fine with me. They've earned it.

(c)Hillary earned it too.

43 posted on 10/23/2001 2:03:00 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Tempest
No no no no...my whole point is that it is rude when liberals do it, and it is rude when we do it too.

But from reading the responses to these postings, I should realize that there is a very strong distinction between populist conservatives and more traditionalist conservatives.

There is a famous exchange between St.Thomas More and his son in law in the Play A Man for All Seasons, in which St. More declares that he would give benefit of the laws (substitute civility and manners) to the devil himself, for if he were to cut down all the laws (civility and manners) to chase the devil, when the devil turned around on him, there would be no laws (civility and manners) to protect him!

44 posted on 10/23/2001 2:03:17 PM PDT by watsonfellow
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To: watsonfellow
Much as I'd like to support you in this, and I do think it is rude to boo our elected officials, she deserves it.

She has held herself above the common people so long that she has no clue as to their feelings about her. She held them in such disdain, she couldn't imagine there being a risk to her appearing, unannounced, at THEIR event.

Additionally, booing is an art form in NYC and were she at all connected to her constituents, she would have realized she was in for it.

The cops and firefighters and rescue personel are 'real people'. They express themselves with no apologies to anyone, regardless of idiology.

I just hope Hillary heard and understood, but somehow I doubt it.

45 posted on 10/23/2001 2:03:38 PM PDT by Vermonter
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To: watsonfellow
It had nothing to do with politics. A lot of those guys were probably Democrats. You have to realize this - New York hates Hillary now. They finally realized what scum she is. The cops are especially angry at her about the way her supporters were spitting on the police color guard at the Dim event in Albany. I think she probably knew this would happen, she's just trying to position herself with the radical left of NYC. "See the police hate me too!" she'll tell them.
46 posted on 10/23/2001 2:03:43 PM PDT by motexva
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To: watsonfellow
Don't be such a tight a**. She got what she deserves.
47 posted on 10/23/2001 2:03:44 PM PDT by paul51
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To: watsonfellow
Crowds clap, whistle and cheer to demonstrate their approval for a speaker and the message being delivered. That is not considered rude. Booing and jeering are the appropriate inverse response in an environment where positive feedback is condoned. It may be rude to interrupt a debate, press conference or political speech, but this was none of these. This was an entertainment event that Hillary attempted to use for her own aggrandizement. The crowd cheered when appropriate and they booed when appropriate. After all, the event was being held in their honor. It was their event.
48 posted on 10/23/2001 2:03:55 PM PDT by Jolly Rodgers
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To: motherof 3
Evan Ghar, writing for Frontpage Magazine Summer of 2000,

So does the First Lady really want to start a debate about the vilification of police officers? If so, she's either got a lot of chutzpah or a mighty short memory, for the fact is, Hillary Rodham Clinton has collaborated with cop-bashers for some 30 years.

Back in her Yale Law School days, Hillary was party to one especially venomous critique of the police. At that time, she served as associate editor of a student journal which depicted city policemen as racist pigs--literally--and even seemed to glorify cop-killing.

The Yale Review of Law and Social Action was the left-wing journal of that university's law school. Its debut issue, dated spring 1970, lists Hillary Rodham as an editorial board member. She was no figurehead; Daniel Wattenberg, whose American Spectator piece first linked Hillary to the law journal, uncovered a Review source who recalls that Rodham, for instance, gave a detailed, sympathetic critique for an article entitled, "Jamestown 70."

A special double issue of the Yale Review during Hillary's editorial service focused on the legal travails of the Black Panthers. In 1970 and '71, several Panthers stood trial in New Haven for the torture-murder of fellow Panther Alex Rackley. On the same page as an unsigned article describing the police raid on the New Haven headquarters of the Black Panther Party following the murder, the Review ran a cartoon showing hairy pigs, snot dripping from their noses, marching with rifles in hand. As they oink and mutter "kill" aloud, the bubble above their heads has them thinking, "niggers, niggers, niggers."

The same issue has another pig-cop cartoon showing a horribly wounded pig-cop on crutches. He got what he deserved, explains the cartoon text. After all, a pig is "a foul depraved traducer." Yet further on comes a third drawing of a pig-cop, this one dismembered by gunfire. The headline above the decapitated head: "Seize the Time!"--the slogan of the Black Panthers.

What, if anything, did Mrs. Clinton know about these cartoons? Her silence about her earlier radical politics makes it impossible to know. But Hillary and her fellow Yale Review editors were undoubtedly career-minded activists, not the kind of hotheads reckless enough to lend their names to a magazine over which they had no control or knowledge. Besides Hillary, the editors included her friend Sol Stein, whom President Clinton named to the federal bench in 1995, and Greg Craig, the high-visibility attorney who saved President Clinton during impeachment and then saved Castro during the Elian Gonzalez seizure. (Craig tells The American Enterprise the cartoons are abhorrent and denies any involvement.)

Today, Hillary keeps company with cop-basher par excellence Al Sharpton, who seems to view just about any police officer in a minority neighborhood as a "white interloper" (his phrase). She issues responsible-sounding warnings against pre-judging cops, yet characterizes Amadou Diallo as having been "murdered" (a comment later described as a slip of her tongue). She is building her New York Senate campaign on odes to family values and law and order. So which is the real Hillary?

Her record--campus radical in the late '60s and early '70s, supervisor of the Legal Services Corporation during its most loony-activist phase under Jimmy Carter, and her late 1980s tutelage of the New World Foundation when it played sugar daddy to the hard Left--renders Hillary Clinton's current incarnation as a pragmatic centrist highly dubious.

...

Since Mrs. Clinton is the one who registered the complaint about vilifying officers of the law, she ought to explain whether her own views have changed. Or has she just changed her stripes to match political realities--like Bobby Seale, the graying Black Panther who now explains, "I'm not going around saying, 'Off the pig'; You got to meet the climate of the times, man."

49 posted on 10/23/2001 2:03:58 PM PDT by JohnGalt
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To: lawgirl
She is so dense and self-absorbed that to stand in silence would be taken as being in awe of her presence.

BTW, where can I get a supply of the rasberry "tooters" that mimic flatulence. They would be useful on her next "listening tour" in Bflo.

50 posted on 10/23/2001 2:04:18 PM PDT by yianni
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