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Our Galaxy Should Be Teeming With Civilizations, But Where Are They?
Project Phoenix ^ | 25 Oct 01 | Seth Shostak

Posted on 10/25/2001 9:13:53 AM PDT by RightWhale

Is there obvious proof that we could be alone in the Galaxy? Enrico Fermi thought so -- and he was a pretty smart guy. Might he have been right?

It's been a hundred years since Fermi, an icon of physics, was born (and nearly a half-century since he died). He's best remembered for building a working atomic reactor in a squash court. But in 1950, Fermi made a seemingly innocuous lunchtime remark that has caught and held the attention of every SETI researcher since. (How many luncheon quips have you made with similar consequence?)

The remark came while Fermi was discussing with his mealtime mates the possibility that many sophisticated societies populate the Galaxy. They thought it reasonable to assume that we have a lot of cosmic company. But somewhere between one sentence and the next, Fermi's supple brain realized that if this was true, it implied something profound. If there are really a lot of alien societies, then some of them might have spread out.

Fermi realized that any civilization with a modest amount of rocket technology and an immodest amount of imperial incentive could rapidly colonize the entire Galaxy. Within ten million years, every star system could be brought under the wing of empire. Ten million years may sound long, but in fact it's quite short compared with the age of the Galaxy, which is roughly ten thousand million years. Colonization of the Milky Way should be a quick exercise.

So what Fermi immediately realized was that the aliens have had more than enough time to pepper the Galaxy with their presence. But looking around, he didn't see any clear indication that they're out and about. This prompted Fermi to ask what was (to him) an obvious question: "where is everybody?"

This sounds a bit silly at first. The fact that aliens don't seem to be walking our planet apparently implies that there are no extraterrestrials anywhere among the vast tracts of the Galaxy. Many researchers consider this to be a radical conclusion to draw from such a simple observation. Surely there is a straightforward explanation for what has become known as the Fermi Paradox. There must be some way to account for our apparent loneliness in a galaxy that we assume is filled with other clever beings.

A lot of folks have given this thought. The first thing they note is that the Fermi Paradox is a remarkably strong argument. You can quibble about the speed of alien spacecraft, and whether they can move at 1 percent of the speed of light or 10 percent of the speed of light. It doesn't matter. You can argue about how long it would take for a new star colony to spawn colonies of its own. It still doesn't matter. Any halfway reasonable assumption about how fast colonization could take place still ends up with time scales that are profoundly shorter than the age of the Galaxy. It's like having a heated discussion about whether Spanish ships of the 16th century could heave along at two knots or twenty. Either way they could speedily colonize the Americas.

Consequently, scientists in and out of the SETI community have conjured up other arguments to deal with the conflict between the idea that aliens should be everywhere and our failure (so far) to find them. In the 1980s, dozens of papers were published to address the Fermi Paradox. They considered technical and sociological arguments for why the aliens weren't hanging out nearby. Some even insisted that there was no paradox at all: the reason we don't see evidence of extraterrestrials is because there aren't any.

In our next column, we'll delve into some of the more ingenious musings of those who have tried to understand whether, apart from science fiction, galactic empires could really exist, and what implications this may have for SETI.


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To: RightWhale
I'm always struck by the use of the word "ordinary" to describe our star, and our galaxy.

If we are, in fact, ordinary, then one would assume that what happens here is also ordinary. If what happens here is ordinary, then all the other ordinary stars would also ordinarily have happen there what happens here. If it takes as long as it has for life to develop here to the level of intelligence and sophistication that we see today, we would have to consider it to be ordinary and expect other ordinary civilizations to be at the same level of intelligence and sophistication as we are at.

Just my rambling speculation. Your ordinariness may vary...

-PJ

101 posted on 10/25/2001 12:36:25 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too
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To: RightWhale
Has anybody ever considered the fact that other civilizations are probably sitting around waiting for us?
102 posted on 10/25/2001 12:38:50 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Goldi-Lox
I've been wondering if there isn't something "inherent" to earth that would make it impossible to live long term elsewhere.

Good point!

103 posted on 10/25/2001 12:42:01 PM PDT by FormerLib
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To: keats5
I'm still trying to figure out what happened to the Incas and the Aztecs.

Spaniards.

104 posted on 10/25/2001 12:43:31 PM PDT by mlo
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To: jwalsh07
Although he probably didn't know it, Husserl worked out a lot of the problem for us. He would have profited from use of a rudimentary grammar checker no doubt, and we would all be happier today.
105 posted on 10/25/2001 12:45:09 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: cork
I can't believe this hasn't been said yet.
ALL YOUR GALAXIES ARE BELONG TO US
106 posted on 10/25/2001 12:45:44 PM PDT by cork
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To: PatrickHenry
I'm right here.....under your nose earthling! veveveveveveveeveeeeeeee We can take any form we wish.......we can also be invisible to your simple mind. We can control the horizontal and the vertical, please do not adjust your screen. We can do mass brainwashing..... we got Clinton 70% approval rating! veveveveveveveeeeeeeee We don't want you to know we are here because you will want to take our vasukkajuice. veveveveveveveveeeeeeeeeee
107 posted on 10/25/2001 12:46:38 PM PDT by BlackJack
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To: Physicist
I fully expect that corporeal human beings will never make the trip. (Once we learn how to transfer our consciousness to nonliving substrates, however, we just might manage it.)

I think we will one day build sentient machines. They will probably supercede us. This doesn't have to be a bad thing, think of it as our next evolutionary step. Our children supercede us too after all.

I don't think we will "transfer" our consciousness to anything else. I think that's impossible. But hey, I think when Kirk goes through the transporter a new person comes out with all Kirk's memories. The first one is dead. (Won't catch me on no transporters.)

108 posted on 10/25/2001 12:49:26 PM PDT by mlo
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To: SamAdams76
Has anybody ever considered the fact that other civilizations are probably sitting around waiting for us?

Whether their "waiting for us" or not, if they exist at any decent level of development, they must be making some kind of noise that we could detect. That's the premise behind SETI. So far, nobody's out there. Or, they could be sitting around in a pre-radio stage of development, sort of like ancient Egypt, perhaps for millions of stagnant years. If so, fine. They're no competition. Get ready, aliens. We're coming!

109 posted on 10/25/2001 12:51:26 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: Brett66
Fermi's point is that we don't need to look. They would be here. Agree or disagree, but that is the argument. There are a lot fewer unknown variables in Fermi's conjecture than in the Drake equation.

Another point, made in a recent issue of Scientific American, is that only a tiny portion of the galaxy, represententing about one percent of the stars, is habitable. So this becomes the starting point for the Drake equation.

110 posted on 10/25/2001 12:55:00 PM PDT by js1138
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To: RightWhale
He says he agrees with you.

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111 posted on 10/25/2001 12:55:12 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: adx
I disagree. What is needed is that there be a substantial part of your civilization existing in different time frames. There would be "flat time" which we exist in right now.

Then there would be the "99.99% travelers" moving near the speed of light would slow their time down to 1/70 of "flat time" A worker over ten years would oversee 700 years of "flat" time.

Then some would live at 99.999999% of the speed of light and the time dilation would be more like 1/700 or some such. They could regulate over thousands of years.

Here's another thought. If someone takes a trip 10 light years away and is going so fast that time is slowed down by a factor of 10, doesn't it seem like to them that they took a 10 light-year trip in only a year? Doesn't it make it seem like to them , that they are traveling 10 times the speed of light?

112 posted on 10/25/2001 12:57:33 PM PDT by techcor
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To: Destructor
How do we know that we really know that we want to have contact with alien life forms? What if they turn out to be more savage than we humans!?!

There is no question than some beings are more savage than others.

But the likelihood that the more savage group will expand into the universe ahead of the lesser savage is nil.

Let me put it this way.

Who do you think would get to the moon first?
The Muslim Arabs?
The Judeo-Christian West?

113 posted on 10/25/2001 1:00:12 PM PDT by Publius6961
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To: Rockitz
Maybe it's because if you took all the carbon in the universe and put on the face of the earth, allowed it to chemically react at the most rapid rate possible, and left it for a billion years, the odds of creating just one functional protein molecule would be one chance in 10 to the 60th power?

The above statement demonstrates a gross misunderstanding of basic organic chemistry. HINT: If what you are saying was true, commercial chemical synthesis wouldn't be possible.

114 posted on 10/25/2001 1:02:08 PM PDT by tortoise
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To: Publius6961
Who do you think would get to the moon first?
The Muslim Arabs?
The Judeo-Christian West?


That depends on whether the FR War Party get the deportation laws they want. :-)
115 posted on 10/25/2001 1:02:55 PM PDT by sendtoscott
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To: mlo
I don't think we will "transfer" our consciousness to anything else. I think that's impossible.

Do you really think it's impossible in principle, or just prohibitively difficult (as I believe interstellar travel to be)?

116 posted on 10/25/2001 1:03:50 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: headsonpikes
I'm still trying to determine if there is intelligent life on Earth. ;^)

I'm with you :)
117 posted on 10/25/2001 1:04:43 PM PDT by Fiddlstix
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To: Physicist
"Transfer of consciousness" doesn't make information theoretic sense. "Copy of consciousness" does.
118 posted on 10/25/2001 1:05:21 PM PDT by tortoise
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To: mlo
I'm still trying to figure out what happened to the Incas and the Aztecs.
Spaniards.

That response ia a triumph of ignorance and ideology over reality.

Ignorance, brutality, base savagery, combined with a centralized royalty type totalitarianism, stifling exploration, learning and innovation; that's what did them in.

Why do you suppose India and China were not similarly subdued?

119 posted on 10/25/2001 1:08:12 PM PDT by Publius6961
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To: tortoise
Call it what you like. Can we in principle make devices that, individually, think like we do, and remember what we remember?
120 posted on 10/25/2001 1:12:12 PM PDT by Physicist
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