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Arrest of second Pak n-expert exposes jehadi bomb trail
HindustanTimes.com | 10/25/01 | HTC and Agencies

Posted on 10/25/2001 8:10:10 PM PDT by kattracks

(Islamabad/Moscow, October 25)
There is now a nuclear dimension to the Afghan war. A second retired Pakistani atomic scientist was picked up by Islamabad on Tuesday night on the suspicion that he was developing a nuclear device for Osama bin Laden and the Taliban. The arrests followed tip-offs by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation to the Pakistani authorities.

Sultan Bashiruddin Mehmood and Abdul Majeed, both scientists who had retired from the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC), were picked up after the FBI provided evidence of their links to jehadi outfits.

The Pakistan Interior Minister, Moinuddin Haidar, said on Thursday that Bashiruddin was being taken into "protective custody." Military spokesman, Rashid Qureshi, only said the scientist was being questioned.

After retirement, Bashiruddin had formed an NGO called Ummah Tameer-e-Nau (Reconstruction of the Muslim Ummah). This NGO was affiliated to the Al Rasheed Trust, an organisation banned for its links with Al-Qaeda network. The NGO was one of the few allowed by Mullah Muhammad Omar to carry out relief work in Afghanistan.

Majeed was the chief engineer of PAEC until last year. Pakistani press reports said he had been trying to get a hold of supplies of plutonium and enriched uranium to send to the Taliban.

Bashiruddin was with the PAEC for 35 years. He held many senior positions, including director of the Kahuta Enrichment Project. He was also one of the designers of the Khusab nuclear plant in Punjab. He took early retirement in 1998 to protest moves by the then Nawaz Sharif government to sign the CTBT, a treaty he strongly opposed.

Bashiruddin founded Ummah Tameer-e-Nau after vowing to rebuild Afghanistan. Most of its membership consisted of nuclear scientists and military officers. Bashiruddin's Islamic fervour was well known, catching even the attention of Mullah Omar.

The Taliban gave him permission to conclude business agreements on their behalf. This strengthened suspicions that Bashiruddin's NGO was looking for nuclear hardware for Kabul.

He and Majeed had been under investigation by a joint US-Pakistani intelligence team.

The West is reportedly also concerned about A.Q. Khan, the father of Pakistan's nuclear bomb. Khan resigned as head of the country's nuclear programme in March this year. Because he had publicly expressed sympathy for the jehad movement, it was rumoured he was joining the fundamentalists.

The detention of the two scientists follows statements by Pakistani officials, including President Pervez Musharraf, that the country's nuclear installations and assets were secure.

There have been persistent rumours Bin Laden has sought weapons of mass destruction —chemical, biological and nuclear.

Pakistan is increasingly seen as a possible source of such weaponry for the Taliban or Bin Laden. One reason is the large number of scientists employed by its nuclear programme. The other is the creeping popularity of the fundamentalist cause among educated, urban Pakistanis.

In the past, the most likely source was one of the "loose nukes" scattered about the ex-Soviet Union. Seven years ago, Russian agents stopped a planeload of Russian nuclear scientists heading off to North Korea.

Says Michael Krepon of the Henry Stimson Centre in Washington, which does research on nuclear security, "It is easy to get fissionable material, but difficult to make a bomb." He points out the Taliban could just mix nuclear material with RDX. This would not produce an atomic explosion. But, say other experts, the very knowledge Kabul has weapons-grade nuclear material could deter US bombing as Washington would have to fear a terrorist strike that could leave nuclear contaminants.



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1 posted on 10/25/2001 8:10:10 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks; StoneColdGOP; dubyaismypresident; rockchalkjayhawk; Texaggie79; sirgawain; LisaAnne...
BUMP!
2 posted on 10/25/2001 8:14:22 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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To: kattracks
maybe.....but......do they have a delivery system? The bombs they have are crude and big,bulky. If they have Russian suitcase jobs....thats scary.
3 posted on 10/25/2001 8:15:51 PM PDT by BlackJack
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To: Cool Guy; kattracks
Cripes. And I keep hoping (against hope?) he can't find one that actually works.

Mrs Kus

4 posted on 10/25/2001 8:16:53 PM PDT by cgk
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To: kattracks
Hope we've got this under control.
5 posted on 10/25/2001 8:17:36 PM PDT by 6ppc
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To: BlackJack
I think China gave some away to them.
6 posted on 10/25/2001 8:18:08 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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To: kattracks
wow.
7 posted on 10/25/2001 8:19:28 PM PDT by grimalkin
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To: BlackJack
I wonder what antique dealers of 2175 will say when describing how Pakistani glass came into being? Will it have a black tint to it, glow in the dark, and be used for enlightenment seminars in Beijing, the likely enablers for the terrorism network as it tries to go nuclear?
8 posted on 10/25/2001 8:21:47 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Cool Guy
Wonder if this is connected to the guy picked up in Karachi.
9 posted on 10/25/2001 8:22:48 PM PDT by MaeWest
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To: grimalkin
Geeez. BTTT
10 posted on 10/25/2001 8:24:00 PM PDT by maranatha
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To: MaeWest
I think that dude was picked up for bio stuff. Correc tme if I am wrong. Thanks.
11 posted on 10/25/2001 8:25:00 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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To: kattracks
Kiss those big retirement checks good-bye, renegade Paki nuclear scientist scumbags!
12 posted on 10/25/2001 8:26:39 PM PDT by AF68
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To: BlackJack
A tramp steamer with a few metal cargo containers is good enough to destroy a large harbor. Norfork, Virginia is a mighty big and tempting target.
13 posted on 10/25/2001 8:26:49 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Cool Guy
Talked to a buddy about this and he tells me that this paper (hindustan times) is not a reliable source. They are a source of disinformation for Indian intelligence. He says Times of India is much better and credible.
15 posted on 10/25/2001 8:30:08 PM PDT by MaxwellWolf
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To: Squantos
FYI
16 posted on 10/25/2001 8:31:39 PM PDT by sit-rep
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To: MaxwellWolf
India hoping we'll nuke 'em first?
17 posted on 10/25/2001 8:34:07 PM PDT by b4its2late
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To: kattracks
The West is reportedly also concerned about A.Q. Khan, the father of Pakistan's nuclear bomb... he had publicly expressed sympathy for the jehad movement, it was rumoured he was joining the fundamentalists.

Great. Jihadists with a bomb. This will indeed be a long war. Which leads to my question. Why is it those in the "scientific community" impart information and materiel with apparent abandon to any nutcase bearing parchment? The Ames strain of anthrax didn't hit the streets by itself.

18 posted on 10/25/2001 8:38:26 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: kattracks
One of the more troubling aspects of America's new war on terror is the failure of the average US citizen to understand that Islamic entente forces indeed have "Allah's Suitcase" capability. These half to two kt yield devices to remake the world in a stunning flash of fire and light that will shake the earth and plunge mankind into a new Dark Age...

Dry is good and wind is better...

However this "Sudden death" bomb to end overtime will no doubt follow other fourth quarter scenarios. What will happen after Thanksgiving, when one weekend several crowded shopping malls are attacked simultaneously?

When several small plastique explosions send crowds scurrying to blocked fire exits -- and Islamic entente suicide gunmen open fire, probably only fifty or sixty will be killed at each location.

But starting on the East coast, shopping malls across the country will close when a second attack occurs an hour later in another state. Panicked shoppers will refuse to go out and suddenly the crucial Christmas shopping season will be lost. What will this low tech attack do to the American economy?

Mall rent a cops and off duty police and sheriff deputies will stop this style of attack? In colder weather when everyone wears a coat that can hide an assault rifle or a pair of semi-auto pistols? When everyone carrys packages that can hold several 2kg bombs?

This scenario may only kill a hundred or so people but it will shut down the US economy for the fourth quarter...

Then "Allah's Suitcase" will be opened. As they say, "Dirty bomb, double the yield..."

Millions to die in the Third World War. Yet America is hesitant to take the fight to the madman Saddam Hussein. How many US cities must be destroyed by "misplaced" Russian suitcase nuclear bombs for America to strike back?

Must Chicago be blasted? Or Houston... before the US will use its own nuclear devices in the war between civilisations?

The forces of freedom on the move. Europe trembles.

20 posted on 10/25/2001 8:44:27 PM PDT by Fusion
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To: Cool Guy
volley bump!
21 posted on 10/25/2001 8:45:31 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: kattracks
One of the many fears I have is that the reason the Taliban keeps yelling about a ground war is because they want to use a nuke on them. {sigh}
22 posted on 10/25/2001 8:48:19 PM PDT by RoseyT
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To: Fusion
What will happen after Thanksgiving, when one weekend several crowded shopping malls are attacked simultaneously?

....Geez. I bet you'refun at a party.

23 posted on 10/25/2001 8:53:46 PM PDT by Anamensis
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To: Cool Guy
and who gave it to china? WJC
26 posted on 10/25/2001 8:57:06 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules
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To: Fusion
You're running a little ahead of the script here.

Besides, I don't think America will have to lose 'a few million' to get serious about waging effective, ruthless, and overwhelming war.

It will come soon enough, even for your taste.

27 posted on 10/25/2001 8:57:38 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: MaeWest
I was just wondering the same thing.
28 posted on 10/25/2001 9:05:49 PM PDT by The Real Deal
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To: WileyCoyote22
Why not attack Israel ?

Because Israel has some nukes too and won't hesitate to use them. America does hesitate right now, which is terrible. Nukes away!!!

30 posted on 10/25/2001 9:07:41 PM PDT by eclectic
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To: eclectic
Don't just blame the Paki's.

We had a big hand in these guy's getting their start.

32 posted on 10/25/2001 9:12:18 PM PDT by nm_james
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To: BlackJack; Cool Guy; kattracks; Dog Gone
They could deliver via a container --- to Los Angeles or New york.

Not much gets checked here in Los Angels--- see this

ID System for Port Workers Considered (Los Angeles California )

The container could even be personally attended - perhaps this was an experiment:

Egyptian terror suspect had satellite telephone, fake ID (Hid In Container)

33 posted on 10/25/2001 9:34:18 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: WileyCoyote22
See post #33, --- we would be trouble here by the beach if a container had a nasty device within!
34 posted on 10/25/2001 9:36:32 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: WileyCoyote22
#1 I think you overestimate the Islamic rage. While many are not happy with the war only a small percentage of the nutcases are willing to die for the cause of Osama

Um, what does a small percentage of a billion people translate into?

35 posted on 10/25/2001 9:39:06 PM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: aristeides
FYI
36 posted on 10/25/2001 9:42:49 PM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: kattracks
the very knowledge Kabul has weapons-grade nuclear material could deter US bombing as Washington would have to fear a terrorist strike that could leave nuclear contaminants

I think their summation is in error. Their logic is bad. This fact would cause the U.S. to increase its efforts, no appeasement like what they suggest would bring any measure of safety at all -- the only safety is in their complete and swift destruction.

37 posted on 10/25/2001 9:45:48 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Blood of Tyrants
A tramp steamer with a few metal cargo containers is good enough to destroy a large harbor. Norfork, Virginia is a mighty big and tempting target.

They just caught one Islamic bozo with an onboard container set up to carry him to Toronto in comfort. Had a laptop, three cellphones, one of which was a satellite phone, etc. Looked like he was ready to hide in the cargo hold all the way.

If a dirty nuke were set off on a ship, located near Montreal, during the proper wind conditions, much of the east coast of the US would get a radioactive dusting.

I hope they searched every container on that ship.

38 posted on 10/25/2001 9:48:23 PM PDT by atafak
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To: MaxwellWolf
OK --- here is what they say:

Laden has nuclear materials: Paper

39 posted on 10/25/2001 9:48:36 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: MHGinTN
Reminds me of a joke I heard.

20 years in the future, a little boy sees a picture of New York with the World Trade Center.

"Daddy, what's this picture," he asks.

"It's a picture of the World Trade Center before the Arabs blew it up. They were the tallest buildings in the U.S. at the time," his dad responds.

"Daddy, what's an 'Arab'?"

I hope it doesn't come to that, but the workd should be on notice that we WILL defend ourselves by any means necessary.

42 posted on 10/25/2001 10:09:18 PM PDT by tbeatty
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To: MHGinTN
Will using Windex to clean "Pakistani Glass" reduce it's collectable Value??? :-)
43 posted on 10/25/2001 10:10:13 PM PDT by HP8753
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To: WileyCoyote22
The other is the creeping popularity of the fundamentalist cause among educated, urban Pakistanis.

Now this is SCARY! Pakistan is developing a Democrat party?

45 posted on 10/25/2001 10:26:48 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: WileyCoyote22
we the people are going to be calling for nukes on all people who think they are at war with us.

You can call all you want, but I guarantee you Bush is not going to do it. He's still treating Pakistan, Saudi, and Egypt as if they were allies.

You people are just getting off your Camels while we have fought in two World Wars and many other small battles.

Those world wars were not fought by the current generation of politicians. This is the age of the PC "war".

I don't know who the "you" is you are referring to, but I am neither Arab nor Muslim. I was simply trying to point out to you that if only 1/10 of 1% of a billion Muslims were fanatical enough to blow themselves up in suicide attacks against the west, there would be 1 million of them to contend with.

47 posted on 10/26/2001 12:09:05 AM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: WileyCoyote22
Yes, that LA Times article makes me damn nervous.

Political correctness is going to get a lot of people killed .

49 posted on 10/26/2001 12:30:40 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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