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FBI seizes property at Hamilton [NJ] apartment [anthrax/hijackers link]
Trenton Times (Newark, NJ) ^ | 10/31/01 | LARRY HANOVER

Posted on 10/31/2001 4:13:17 AM PST by gumbo

Edited on 07/06/2004 6:36:58 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

HAMILTON -- FBI agents yesterday confiscated property and searched records at a township apartment complex one day after detaining for questioning at least two men who had been at the residence.

The FBI raid comes on the heels of increased surveillance at the Greenwood Village Apartments, the same complex where Mohammad Aslam Pervez, a former Trenton Train Station employee under arrest in New York in connection with the terrorist investigation, once lived.


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Asked whether she was referring to the World Trade Center attacks or the anthrax probe, [FBI spokeswoman Sandra Carroll] responded: "The two are not necessarily separate at this point."

Mohammad Atta et al lived near the first anthrax victim Lantana, Florida.

Now we find a roommate of the WTC hijackers lived near the Hamilton (Trenton) post office that is the focus of the anthrax mailings.

But of course, the anthrax mailings MUST be a RIGHT-WING conspiracy.

1 posted on 10/31/2001 4:13:17 AM PST by gumbo
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To: gumbo
correction: article is from Trenton Times, not Star-Ledger
2 posted on 10/31/2001 4:14:30 AM PST by gumbo
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To: gumbo
I am praying that this might be a break...
3 posted on 10/31/2001 4:22:57 AM PST by Jhensy
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To: Jhensy
HMMM thats blows the Right wing groups Claim
4 posted on 10/31/2001 4:39:16 AM PST by scooby321
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To: scooby321
Checked the article text again : they were released without being charged.
5 posted on 10/31/2001 4:41:24 AM PST by genefromjersey
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To: scooby321
HMMM thats blows the Right wing groups Claim

But not necessarily the "domestic terrorism" claim.

Mohammad Pervez is a naturalized American citizen.

6 posted on 10/31/2001 4:41:28 AM PST by gumbo
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To: scooby321
Checked the article text again : they were released without being charged.
7 posted on 10/31/2001 4:41:32 AM PST by genefromjersey
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To: genefromjersey
--released maybe to follow them around on the QT, see where they went, who they contact, etc. not ubnknown in spy and crime investigations. I hope that's the case anyway.
8 posted on 10/31/2001 4:50:12 AM PST by zog
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To: JohnHuang2; Travis McGee
Asked whether she was referring to the World Trade Center attacks or the anthrax probe, she responded: "The two are not necessarily separate at this point."
This is a different song coming from the FBI now...
9 posted on 10/31/2001 4:51:51 AM PST by Hugh Akston
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To: gumbo
I guess they gave up on the pro-life, right-wing Christian smear job. CNN was playing that tune last night in a bizzare feature that was titled "Terror Throught The Mail". It immediately dropped that facade and went after pro-lifers who didn't use the mail.
10 posted on 10/31/2001 4:56:46 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: gumbo
Azmath and Khan were arrested the day after the Sept. 11 attacks aboard an Amtrak train in Fort Worth, Texas. They were carrying $5,000, box-cutters and hair dye.

The "authorities" should let us know what color hair dye that is. For the time being I'd be sort of supicious of light haired strangers from the Middle East.

11 posted on 10/31/2001 4:58:47 AM PST by bvw
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To: Hugh Akston
It appears that the lawyer mentioned, one Richard L. Gruber, is on the CLR ethics list for New Jersey. That list is for "the attorneys or judges who have been reported to have been disciplined by the State of New Jersey for unethical conduct, sued for malpractice, incarcerated, whom we understand have been charged with unethical conduct, or who have brought disrepute to the courts and to the legal business, etc."

I can't find exactly what he did or any other web presence of this guy, though.

12 posted on 10/31/2001 5:00:41 AM PST by Hugh Akston
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To: gumbo
Sounds like someone's been profiling again...
13 posted on 10/31/2001 5:01:22 AM PST by Jack Wilson
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14 posted on 10/31/2001 5:05:31 AM PST by gumbo
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To: kylaka; aristeides
Oops, didn't mean to post that Trenton area map yet. But since I did, the red star = Mohammad Pervez's apartment.

The Hamilton post office (one of the contaminated ones) is on Route 130, near Windsor Road (?), right side near center. (kylaka, have I got that right?)

Hamilton Square, the home of the cutaneous anthrax victim who is not a postal worker, is near middle of map.

15 posted on 10/31/2001 5:10:46 AM PST by gumbo
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To: gumbo
Wonder if there is a connection to the plastique explosive found in Philly bus station?
16 posted on 10/31/2001 5:12:36 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: gumbo
The CIA was starting to float a denial that Atta had met with Iraqi intelligence. I saw the banner go across the screen once on CNN and then the Czechs confirmed that they had video and the banner disappeared. The 2 alphabet agencies can't be faulted for lack of effort in pinning anthrax on TVRWC.
17 posted on 10/31/2001 5:15:12 AM PST by Righty1
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To: Hugh Akston
I couldn't get that link to work. Interesting, though. It's hard to get a lawyer cited for unethical conduct.
18 posted on 10/31/2001 5:17:29 AM PST by gumbo
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To: gumbo
You can find a cached version of that on Google by searching on his full name and attorney and New Jersey.
19 posted on 10/31/2001 5:18:34 AM PST by Hugh Akston
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To: gumbo
How far is this apartment from the one where the anthrax mailings were traced to?
20 posted on 10/31/2001 5:19:28 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: bvw
Oddly enough it was black hair dye. (I wouldn't think that would alter the hair color of most Middle Eastern types.)
21 posted on 10/31/2001 5:21:55 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Righty1
What I find interesting is that most, if not all of these sites of mailings can be reached via NJ Transit or PATH train from Jersey City/Newark very easily. Not sure if the DC/VA sites correspond to their local public transit system but getting to DC from Newark is a cake walk as well via AMTRAK.
22 posted on 10/31/2001 5:22:11 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Semper Paratus
Wonder if there is a connection to the plastique explosive found in Philly bus station?

Right, it's a short ride from Trenton to Philly.

23 posted on 10/31/2001 5:22:51 AM PST by gumbo
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To: gumbo
Yeah, don't make the mistake of suppposing the "domestic" angle is not deliberate disinformation. One the the most in-depth articles that went farthest is the "right wing nut" theories was Bob Woodward. What red-blooded Republican could resist yanking Bob Woodward's chain, and all in a good cause?
24 posted on 10/31/2001 5:23:11 AM PST by eno_
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To: gumbo
But of course, the anthrax mailings MUST be a RIGHT-WING conspiracy.

From the Midwest, no less.

25 posted on 10/31/2001 5:23:14 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: FR_addict
Originally it was reported that the mailings came from a box at the Woodbrook Apartments in West Trenton -- about 10 miles northwest by road. That may have been misdirection, for the authorities have since backed away from the story. The source could welll have been in Hamiltion near the City of Trenton.
26 posted on 10/31/2001 5:24:00 AM PST by bvw
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
Maybe the black hair dye was a cosmetic improvement, you know, to look good for the 72 virgins.
27 posted on 10/31/2001 5:25:34 AM PST by aristotleman
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To: FR_addict
How far is this apartment from the one where the anthrax mailings were traced to?

The non-postal worker who was found to have cutaneous anthrax lives in Hamilton Square, about 4 miles from Mohammad Pervez's apartment.

She works in an accountants' office nearby.

(At this point it's not known whether she contracted anthrax from a mailing.)

28 posted on 10/31/2001 5:28:13 AM PST by gumbo
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To: Hugh Akston
"different song', true but maybe we are now getinga 'different' FBI. It is going to tak more than a few months to strighten out 8 years of the Clintons influence on that agency, its badly tainted.
29 posted on 10/31/2001 5:29:34 AM PST by gulfcoast6
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To: gulfcoast6
I hope you were not hearing my words as me sniping at good news.

It is just that this is a change from only a day or two ago, and what spurred that change would interest me.

30 posted on 10/31/2001 5:31:12 AM PST by Hugh Akston
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To: gumbo
The 264-unit complex, where residents say most people tend to keep to themselves, is located along Massachusetts Street just beyond the Trenton city limits. Numerous residents of Middle Eastern or Pakistani descent live there, many of whom speak little or no English.

Anyone else find this part of the story interesting? Why are these people in the country? If you want to come here, with all the millions clawing and scratching to get in, isn't it reasonable that we at least require you speak English before showing up? Maybe you waive that if your educational/professional attainments are special, but in general, is this too much to ask?

Our immigration policy is lunacy.

31 posted on 10/31/2001 5:31:37 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: Righty1
The CIA was starting to float a denial that Atta had met with Iraqi intelligence. I saw the banner go across the screen once on CNN and then the Czechs confirmed that they had video and the banner disappeared.

Haha! To see CNN embarrassed, it's a beautiful thing.

32 posted on 10/31/2001 5:32:11 AM PST by gumbo
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To: Black Agnes
What I find interesting is that most, if not all of these sites of mailings can be reached via NJ Transit or PATH train from Jersey City/Newark very easily.

Yes, it is a cakewalk to travel between Philly, Trenton and Jersey City/Newark (site of one of NJ's other nest of terrorists) all along the same Amtrak line;

and likewise Jersey City/Newark to D.C. is fast and easy.

33 posted on 10/31/2001 6:00:36 AM PST by gumbo
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To: FreedomPoster
I agree that the immigration policy is lunacy, especially since we have friends and relatives in Eastern Europe (not even Russia) who know some English and are well-educated, are Christian rather than Muslim, would not be a drain on public resources and so forth, and can't even get a visa to visit the USA for a couple of weeks. (This is standard policy going back decades, and is accompanied by sneering accusations that OF COURSE they won't be given a visa since everybody just knows they would break the law and stay.) What is going on? My theory is that -- unknown to most normal Americans -- the immigration agency and related agencies have been infiltrated by individuals who have in fact taken on the task of making America into something different from the properous, free Christian country which most of us assume it is.

A related development carried on by our government is the Small Business Administration's 8(A) program, and the legally-imposed requirements on EVERY FEDERAL AGENCY, for funnelling work to "qualified minorities" as though those of us who are white males have anything to do oppressing minorities such as Middle Easterners, African-Americans, Hispanics, and Pacific Islanders who get preferential treatment on government bids. I have great personel experience with observing this phenomenon. Meanwhile, the SBA and the rest of the government could not care les swhether I and other white males businessmen starve to death.

34 posted on 10/31/2001 6:43:46 AM PST by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: gumbo
The post office is on Rt 130 between the intersection of Rt 195 and the village of Edgebrook. The cuteaneous case is slightly north of White Horse. Mercerville is considered the center of Hamilton Township. The Greenwood Village area is to the left of Mercerville and is on the fringes of some seedy sections of Trenton.
35 posted on 10/31/2001 7:44:19 AM PST by kylaka
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To: kylaka
Thanks. So those locations (Mohammad Pervez's apartment, the location of the non-postal worker victim, and the Hamilton post office) are even closer together than I first thought.
36 posted on 10/31/2001 11:14:58 AM PST by gumbo
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
Maybe they don't use the dye to do their hair???

I can't imagine what else the creeps would use it for but the Good Guy's have been telling us to think "out of the box." ;)

37 posted on 10/31/2001 11:26:56 AM PST by wndycndy
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To: Hugh Akston
"It appears that the lawyer mentioned, one Richard L. Gruber, is on the CLR ethics list for New Jersey. That list is for "the attorneys or judges who have been reported to have been disciplined by the State of New Jersey for unethical conduct, sued for malpractice, incarcerated, whom we understand have been charged with unethical conduct, or who have brought disrepute to the courts and to the legal business, etc."

Here is another list of lawyers, this one for Arkansas - second one will look familiar

38 posted on 10/31/2001 11:27:24 AM PST by Tymesup
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To: Ms. AntiFeminazi
he he he he he
39 posted on 10/31/2001 11:29:38 AM PST by Hugh Akston
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To: Tymesup
Here is another list of lawyers, this one for Arkansas

My,my, that's a rarefied group. X42 is in an exclusive group of nine -- nine disciplined lawyers!

40 posted on 10/31/2001 11:36:59 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
X42 is in an exclusive group of nine -- nine disciplined lawyers!

Yup, he's officially one of Arkansas's 10 - allowing room for his wife - worst lawyers! Another on that short list was X42's Lieutenant Gov. and successor, Jim Guy Tucker. I wonder how many other others on the list have X42 connections.

41 posted on 10/31/2001 12:23:15 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer
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To: wndycndy
They both had greying hair.
42 posted on 10/31/2001 12:30:13 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: wndycndy
thinking 'out of the box'.......like maybe they were going to disguise their camels by dying them black leaving a touch of camel brown/tan to make them look like Rottweilers or Dobies?
44 posted on 10/31/2001 12:42:04 PM PST by Rowdee
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To: gumbo
"...Mohammad Aslam Pervez, a former Trenton Train Station employee"..."the nature of more than $110,000 in checks and money orders written"

I'm sure the Trenton Train pays everyone like this /sarcasm

45 posted on 10/31/2001 12:48:25 PM PST by marlin
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To: Black Agnes
What I find interesting is that most, if not all of these sites of mailings can be reached via NJ Transit or PATH train from Jersey City/Newark very easily

This guy could have walked to the Trenton RR station. I used to live about 2 miles past the cemetery.

46 posted on 10/31/2001 12:51:48 PM PST by Stentor
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To: JohnBovenmyer
Another on that short list was X42's Lieutenant Gov. and successor, Jim Guy Tucker.

That accounts forMike Huckabee's quip (the present Gov. of Arkansas) at the FreeRepublic Inaugural Ball:

Q: What are the five words that a Governor of Arkansas most fears?

A: Will the defendant please rise!


47 posted on 10/31/2001 12:55:06 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
Oddly enough it was black hair dye. (I wouldn't think that would alter the hair color of most Middle Eastern types.

Unless it was to get rid of grey hair on an older man

48 posted on 10/31/2001 12:55:16 PM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: LLAN-DDEUSANT
The anthrax mailings all postdate WTC

No they don't. The Daschle, Brokow, and NY Post letters were all postmarked Sept. 11. The Star letter was received Sept. 18, but probably was mailed before. No one has found the envelope.

49 posted on 10/31/2001 12:57:45 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: LLAN-DDEUSANT
If anything, the fact that they were mailed from near their residence, in post offices where the spores were could well come back spread to their own mail, makes me think someone who wants to see Saddam take a dive is doing this.

What in hell are you talking about? How is this raid implicating Saddam Hussein? Plus the letters didn't go through their post office. They live in a different town.

50 posted on 10/31/2001 1:05:46 PM PST by lasereye
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