Only A Year Late-Fla. Recount Data Delivered 11/5, Public by 11/12

National Journal ^ | November 1, 2001 SGT | Hotline Daily Briefing

[eaglebeak]

I thought the media already did their recount, but I guess this is another one where the WSJ is involved.

[Ragtime Cowgirl]

There are over 70 chads in a police envelope in Broward or PB County. I can give you pages of info on election 2000, having witnessed it firsthand as a Florida Freeper. Many of the Dem. dirty tricks would never show up in a recount. The ballots have been compromised beyond repair through poking, twisting and invalidated Bush ballots and no honest recount is possible. The existing ballots include over 6500 illegal felon votes that were counted and men and women overseas, at Christian Universities, etc., never received their ballots despite repeated requests. Then there are the military votes that were misdirected and/or thrown out. Not to mention the folks in the conservative panhandle who stayed home because VNS called the state for Gore before the polls were closed. There are eye-witness reports of Dems. in Florida nursing homes "helping" senile seniors vote (including one who voted Republican all his life), non-citizens voting, folks registered in two states, college students voting twice...none of this would ever show up in a recount.

This latest recount is nothing but another attempt by a truly rotten organized crime team in an ongoing campaign to de-legitimize Bush's Presidency, weaken his influence internationally (wasn't that special how Usama repeated the DNC post-election talking points and claimed Gore won). Bush won...4 times. Legally, Constitutionally - and in spite of the most powerful propagandists' in world history (leftist media) efforts to destroy him. I know who won. I believe Bush won the popular vote, but for Dem. cheating in major cities across the country. Enough's enough.

[Let's Roll]

And if they have managed to cooky booky, I want to get to the bottom of all the precincts, states even, that turned in more votes than they had registered voters. Coincidentally, all of those situations went for Gore. AND while we're at it, these latest, recounts of recounts, don't reflect the votes our military was screwed out of either.

[Howlin]

ROFLMAO!

[Howlin]

FEMALE GENATALIA

You're probably not as old as I am, but I never see those words that I don't think of the movie The Groove Tube which had a skit about Ken and Barbie....and the poem went something like.......

And people always said
their marriage was a failure
because neither Ken or Barbie had any genitalia

[woofie]

Al Gore won Cuba!

[TheRedSoxWinThePennant]

i believe the consortium counted overvotes and they have never been counted before so i would like to know why they bothered

[alnick]

Didn't I hear that these recounts gave Pat Buchanan's votes in Palm Beach to Gore because after all, they really *meant* to vote for Gore, or am I confused?

[alnick]

That's all nice and good, but you're overlooking that the dems are lying about this. Gore did not win Florida. There is no credibility in this latest recount. What this consorium did is to go through the ballots and count them in a manner contrary to the law. So whatever they come up with is not credible and wil never be credible.

President Bush won the election AND the power. What they're doing is merely trying to undermine the president, hoping that it will help them in 2002 and 2004.

[Commonsense]

But we're not a democracy, we're a Constitutional Republic.

THANK YOU! I cringe every time I hear a media person say "we're a democracy." There's a difference.

1 Democracy: a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.

Republic: 1 a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government c : a usually specified republican government of a political unit

[Howlin]

and won't surrender it, no matter what.

*Snort* What in the HELL is that suppose to mean?

[Howlin]

I haven't heard too much about the MILITARY BALLOTS that weren't counted; or don't they help out the liberals agenda?

[Howlin]

JW used the laws of the county to prove how won! Bush

Are you speaking of Judicial Watch? If so, and if that is true, where IS their report?

[Howlin]

If this group insists on counting OVERVOTES, which are not counted anywhere in this country, then the only way this would EVER make a difference if they went back and counted EVERY SINGLE VOTE THAT WAS THROWN OUT FOR WHATEVER REASON IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY ON ELECTION DAY. And then they could count the absentee ballots, which in most states are NOT counted unless the outcome is close.

[Howlin]

Lies and statistics

Politics/Elections Breaking News News Keywords: GORE-BOIES FRAUD ON COURTS, THEFT OF PRESIDENCY
Source: U.S. News and World Report
Published: 12-11-00 Author: Michael Barone
Posted on 12/03/2000 04:56:31 PST by Mia T

Cover Story 12/11/00

U.S. News and World Report

 

Lies and statistics

Team Gore is still using fuzzy math to heist the election

By Michael Barone

 

As the Supreme Court ponders the Florida case, Al Gore continues to try

to hijack the election by barring the counting of legitimately cast

military ballots and manufacturing illegitimate votes out of dimpled

chads. It is important to keep in mind, as the Supreme Court mulls its

decision, that the Gore strategy is disingenuous at best, unscrupulous

at worst.

 

Start with the Illinois case referred to by Gore lawyer David Boies and

cited with approval by the Florida Supreme Court. Boies used it to

support the proposition that courts have required dimpled chads to be

counted as votes, and he introduced an affidavit from an Illinois lawyer

in that case saying that the dimpled chad was allowed. But that was not

true: In that case no dimpled chads were counted. The Illinois lawyer

has since withdrawn his affidavit. Ordinarily, a lawyer who has relied

on an affidavit he learns is false is obliged to confess the error to

the court.

 

The false affidavit and the misleading citation of Illinois law are

important, because Boies used the Illinois case to persuade the Broward

County canvassers to reverse their original decision and undertake their

hand count. It was a travesty. The two Democratic canvassers changed

the rules midcount, so that they could count dimpled chads as votes.

They counted dimpled ballots for Gore when the voter punched clean holes

for other Democratic candidates, on the theory that the voter must have

intended to vote a straight Democratic ticket. But they refrained from

counting similar dimpled chads for Bush. Eventually they counted some

1,500 votes, mostly dimpled chads, with a

567-vote net gain for Gore. This was a much higher gain for Gore than

the 188-vote net gain in Palm Beach County, where canvassers counted

dimpled chads for president only where there were dimples for other

races.

 

Manufactured votes. That a dimpled chad is not a clearly intended vote

is obvious to most ordinary citizens. And, despite Gore-campaign

assertions, it turns out that dimpled chads have almost never been

counted as votes in the United States, with the exception (an

embarrassing one for George W.

Bush) of 14 counties in Texas and a special election in Massachusetts

where there was only one race and the ballots were damaged by water.

Counting dimpled chads is nothing more than manufacturing votes.

 

Then there are the Gore campaign assertions that thousands of ballots

have never been counted. This is simply false. All Florida ballots

have been counted and recounted by machine. The Gore team focuses only

on the 10,750 "uncounted" ballots that did not register a vote for

president in Miami-Dade County. But there is nothing remarkable about

that number. It was 1.6 percent of all ballots cast, less than the

percentage for all of Florida (2.9 percent) or for the 32 states and

Washington, D.C., where comparable statistics are available (1.9

percent). The Gore lawyers' claim that these ballots are somehow

peculiar and require hand counting is without basis. You might as well

hand count undercounted ballots in all Florida counties.

 

Then there is the Gore-team assertion that a complete hand count of

Miami-Dade would produce another 600 votes for Gore. This is based on

the fact that a partial hand count of 135 precincts produced a 157-vote

net gain for Gore. But those precincts were not typical of the county.

They are heavily black and Jewish precincts that voted 76 percent for

Gore. In the rest of Miami-Dade, Bush led with 52 percent of the

two-party vote. If you extrapolate from the proportion of new votes

added by the hand count to the Bush and Gore totals, you wind up giving

Bush a net gain of 461 votes in the precincts that were not hand

counted, for a 304-vote Bush gain countywide. That's just an estimate,

but it's nothing like the bonanza Gore's lawyers have been projecting.

 

Gore and Joe Lieberman are said to be convinced that more Floridians

went in and voted for them on Election Day or through absentee ballots.

It may be true that a plurality of those heading into the polls intended

to vote for them. But it is also plain from the numbers now in that

more legitimate votes were cast for Bush. If you ignore the votes added

to the Gore total by dimpled chad, the counts show Bush more than 1,000

votes ahead. A Gore presidency is still possible. But it would be a

dimpled-chad presidency.

 

Cool the rhetoric, many are urging. Say nothing that would make the

next president seem illegitimate.

But the truth cries out to be told. When one side in an election

dispute bases its case on pettifoggery and untruths, when it embarks on

a strategy that can succeed only by manufacturing votes out of dimpled

chads, when it argues in court that every dimpled chad no matter how

minimal must be counted as a vote, it should not be surprised when

people notice and object. "The campaign goes on,"

Gore Campaign Manager Bill Daley said on election night. So it does.

And it turns out to tell us more than the first part of the campaign did

about what kind of president Al Gore would have been&endash;or will be.

[tje]

So what is this "consortium" doing? (I looked at the link but it was uninformative...)

It is a group of different news services. And what they've done here is go one step further than just reporting the news. Now they are manufacturing it.

[Luis Gonzalez]

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[Howlin]

Now, which one are you? :-)

[Luis Gonzalez]

LOL!

[xm177e2]

Bush might have won huge, just a good feeling about this.

Remember who's counting the votes!