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Sir Francis Dashwood | 10-31-01 | Sir Francis Dashwood

Posted on 11/03/2001 5:06:55 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood

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To: Bellflower
One of my kids dressed as a leopard, another as a penguin, and my oldest went as a baby. Tell me how evil these costumes were? Get a life and let children have some fun. You probably think the Salem witch trials were a great idea.
101 posted on 11/03/2001 8:09:29 PM PST by StockAyatollah
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To: who knows what evil?
This has more to do with the increase in complex carbohydrates such as pasta. Many people are increasing their intake of pasta as part of a low fat diet yet they get fatter and as you say diabetic. Any correlation there?

I like my steak rare.

102 posted on 11/03/2001 8:10:37 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: purereason
Ever listen to The Savage Nation?
103 posted on 11/03/2001 8:12:07 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: farmfriend
I like my steak rare as well. Never had any problems with my weight or finding girlfriends. :)
104 posted on 11/03/2001 8:15:21 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
The what?
105 posted on 11/03/2001 8:15:47 PM PST by purereason
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Or a cartoon...

There is more intellegence in cartoons than you would give credit for. Too bad you will miss those wonderful masterpeices. What would life be without splashes of art for color.

Your discourse with me proves the cartoon correct.

106 posted on 11/03/2001 8:16:31 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I like my steak rare as well. Never had any problems with my weight or finding girlfriends. :)

This girl prefers men with a sense of humor. Unless you can sing the theme to Spung Bob, forget it.

107 posted on 11/03/2001 8:18:34 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I have not read all the thread, so if it has not been said, "get a life!"
108 posted on 11/03/2001 8:20:52 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: purereason
Michael Savage. The Savage Nation. www.ksfo.com
109 posted on 11/03/2001 8:21:07 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: farmfriend
What would life be without splashes of art for color.

Real.

110 posted on 11/03/2001 8:24:34 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Real.

Real boring.

111 posted on 11/03/2001 8:27:24 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: farmfriend
"This girl prefers men with a sense of humor."

This is not the place for my totally tasteless jokes. Who is Spung Bob? (I don't watch television.) Singing? I like country, blues, heavy rock and KPIG is my favorite music radio station. Give 'em an oink at www.kpig.com You can be a cyber swine and listen over the internet.

112 posted on 11/03/2001 8:36:08 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
…Benjamin Franklin, the American Deputy Postmaster-General, guest at West Wycombe. He wrote: "I am in this house as much at my ease as if it was my own, and the gardens are a paradise. But a pleasanter thing is the kind countenance, the facetious and very intelligent conversation of Mine Host, who, having been for many years engaged in public affairs, seen all parts of Europe, and kept the best company in the world, is himself the best existing." "…the exquisite sense of classical design, charmingly reproduced by the Lord Le Despenser at West Wycombe, whimsical and puzzling as it may sometimes be in its imagery, is as evident below the earth as above it." With Benjamin Franklin, Dashwood produced a revised edition of the Book of Common Prayer for the Church of England, entitled The Franklin Prayer Book, omitting all readings from the Old Testament, which became popular in America – but was rejected by the British Bishops.

See, you just made my point; do you recite your kids(if you have any) the same garbage you just send to me? THIS is the stuff you are teaching your kids? You must be a very, very sick person and I do feel sorry for you.
You know, the other day I had this dude at my dealership calling his son SIR. I thought it was a joke, but come to find out, that the guy was dead serious. It floored me, when I first found out, so your position on this matter must be real.
You allways get your assorted nutcases out there and it looks like you are one of them!

Let me tell you something, you need to get a life...period.

113 posted on 11/03/2001 8:40:09 PM PST by danmar
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To: Jean Chauvin
Don't forget Reformation Day

For those of you who don't know, Reformation Day is observed by many Lutherans (and Protestants in general) as the day when Martin Luther nailed his famous 95 Theses to the church door in Wittenberg, Germany on October 31, 1517.

114 posted on 11/03/2001 8:43:28 PM PST by Genesis defender
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To: Otto von Bismark
What's the matter? Don't like Ben Franklin?

Pouring myself another glass of Piesporter...

115 posted on 11/03/2001 8:46:50 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Who is Spung Bob? (I don't watch television.)

Well if I spell it right it would be

SPONGE BOB SQUARE PANTS
Who lives in a pineapple under the sea
Sponge Bob Square Pants
absorbant and yellow and porus is he
Sponge Bob Square Pants
His naughtical humor is what you wish
Sponge Bob Square Pants
so drop on the deck and flop like a fish
Sponge Bob Square Pants
Sponge Bob Square Pants
Sponge Bob
Square Pants!

116 posted on 11/03/2001 8:47:20 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: farmfriend
Everybody join in and sing along ;)
117 posted on 11/03/2001 8:52:59 PM PST by general_re
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To: general_re
Your hired.
118 posted on 11/03/2001 8:56:11 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: OWK
I like...government. - QWK

Hehe. I'm doing a reuters on you. :-P

119 posted on 11/03/2001 8:57:45 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: america-rules
Who really cares?

God?

121 posted on 11/03/2001 9:00:38 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
This is the ONLY Halloween Picture we want to see;

Osama Yo Mama

122 posted on 11/03/2001 9:08:00 PM PST by stlrocket
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To: Dog Gone
Um..how about the religious significance it still has to pagans and wiccans today? Plenty of em still around, I've known many in my time, and Halloween is their high holy day.
123 posted on 11/03/2001 9:08:51 PM PST by goodieD
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Tell me about it... The way certain "christians" defend their 'right' to celebrate halloween, you'd think they were wiccans.
124 posted on 11/03/2001 9:10:17 PM PST by goodieD
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To: redhead
Truly. We celebrated by going to church. In the Catholic Church, the last day of October and the first day of November are holy days, when we pray for all who have gone before us, including the saints. No costumes. No parties. Some candy (blush...).

November 1st is All Saints Day and the night prior to that is Hallow eve --so I consider Halloween as a Catholic Holiday--we are really honoring the dead and to be exact--the dead Saints. I love Halloween and I eat a bunch of candy!!!!

125 posted on 11/03/2001 9:10:37 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Pouring myself another glass of Piesporter...

Whatever makes you happy paisano, have another drink, but you are still screwed up!!!Merry Christmas to you too, do choke on it! Have another Piesporter...

126 posted on 11/03/2001 9:11:39 PM PST by danmar
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To: america76
. Why Christians cannot is perplexing. I see it as the Devil watering down the occasion with sugar and spice

Exactly. Satan is the master deceiver. Does anyone really think that he would try to turn people away from God by doing things that are disagreeable to people? He does what he always does, appeals to peoples sense of greed and self.

127 posted on 11/03/2001 9:12:03 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: goodieD
Tell me about it... The way certain "christians" defend their 'right' to celebrate halloween, you'd think they were wiccans.

This is part of what I call into question. Who is being "served" ???

128 posted on 11/03/2001 9:22:20 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: Otto von Bismark
Whatever makes you happy paisano, have another drink, but you are still screwed up!!!Merry Christmas to you too, do choke on it! Have another Piesporter...

A most delightful German wine...

129 posted on 11/03/2001 9:33:40 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Satan and the candy manufacturers maybe?
130 posted on 11/03/2001 9:33:57 PM PST by goodieD
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To: Don Myers
Most God-Believing families don't observe pagan holidays.

My neighborhood : Trick or Treat families = 99.9% High rate of Pagan Holiday observing families. Most of these families are good, Christian families. Even the churches here in Cumming, Ga (including the good, old Southern Baptist ones) had Halloween parties for the children. [BTW, Santa Claus has been known to show up at the Christmas parties at the churches.]

Does Santa visit you home? Has the Easter Bunny has ever stopped by your house? The Tooth Fairy? Has Jack Frost paid a visit to your lawn on a crisp fall morning? Did you ever look at a rainbow with your kids and mention the pot of gold at the end? What about St. Patrick's day? The leprechaun wasn't a disciple. Did you or your kids ever dance around the Maypole at school? (am I dating myself?). You have never read your kids Fairy Tales (Hansel & Gretel, Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella et al?--)

Face it, all of our religious holidays & most of our social customs have a pagan remnant. Somewhere along the way, the message became "And God said, let there be no fun in life." And having fun, innocent fun became a sin.

God judges us, not other Christians. Certainly, not atheists. My question was a valid one. Whether or not the children in a religious home go trick or treating should be a non-issue to an atheist. He doesn't have a dog in that fight so to speak.

131 posted on 11/03/2001 9:38:36 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: goodieD
Hecate?
132 posted on 11/03/2001 9:38:51 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: farmfriend
I like my steak rare.

My steak moos.

133 posted on 11/03/2001 9:47:56 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Who is being "served" ???...

Mom for one...it is a standing policy in our house that Mom (me) gets the Toostsie Rolls. :-)

134 posted on 11/03/2001 9:52:32 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
indeed. now if you could find a goddess of candy you'd have the magic combination. wait a minute.. i thought I was the goddess of candy...oops.
135 posted on 11/03/2001 9:57:04 PM PST by goodieD
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
Mom for one...it is a standing policy in our house that Mom (me) gets the Toostsie Rolls. :-)

Love those too.

What ever it is I think I see, becomes a tootsie roll to me.

136 posted on 11/03/2001 10:04:18 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
A bt off topic, but have you read Eric Towers " DASHWOOD : The Man and The Myth " ?
137 posted on 11/03/2001 11:03:27 PM PST by nopardons
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To: yooper
One Sgt Hulka bump!!
138 posted on 11/03/2001 11:24:55 PM PST by Nitro
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Personally - I find most aspects of halloween disturbing. All Souls's Day can help, I find - as a restorative. It is partly the ghastly commercialism but mostly the truly pagan feeling display of all of it. What could be just a little fun for the kids is turned into a full scale ritual of kids on the make.Witchcraft is not fun.
139 posted on 11/04/2001 2:21:36 AM PST by Gimlet
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To: OWK
But of course if they were behaving like Christ instructed, they wouldn't have drawn the criticism to begin with.

And of course you always know exactly how Christ would have behaved...

140 posted on 11/04/2001 3:12:55 AM PST by Goblins
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To: Goblins
And of course you always know exactly how Christ would have behaved...

I think I know how Jesus Christ expeceted his followers to behave, yes.

I think he made it pretty clear in his teachings.

141 posted on 11/04/2001 3:16:44 AM PST by OWK
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Christans celebrate alot of things in groups or individually but we are also free not to celebrate any for this is the sixth day when man and women are being shaped into the image of God. Tomorrow is the Lord's rest which the wicked shall never enter. So every day for now is the same day, Halloween, Christmas, Easter, Ramadan are all on the same day, the sixth.
142 posted on 11/04/2001 3:17:44 AM PST by Goblins
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To: OWK
You don't even have the smallest inkling of who Jesus is, and yet you can read His mind, and judge His servants in His stead, good for you. Won't He be pleased when He returns.
143 posted on 11/04/2001 3:25:03 AM PST by Goblins
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Old Nick or Satan Claus all dressed in red, setting everyone up for a day of greed, lust, envy, gluttoney and drunkeness.

Incidentally, "Old Nick" is what Maureen Kavanaugh Templeton's leprechauns amicably called the devil. St. Nicholas was a sixth-century almsgiver, whose feast day is December 6. St. Nick emerged as Santa Claus from among the New York Dutch a century or two ago. The Russians have a similar character, Grampa Frost. There are few things more Christian than a charitable gift-giver. There are few better ways to mock the Grim Reaper than to dress up as him and act like a fool. "O Death, where is thy sting?" This fear of holidays is downright Puritanical. Not suprising, considering our nation's origins, but forgive this poor papist if he declines to partake of moral indignation at human festivity.

For what it's worth, my costume's inspiration was my namesake Caomhghin of Glendalough.

144 posted on 11/04/2001 3:26:43 AM PST by Dumb_Ox
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To: Goblins
You don't even have the smallest inkling of who Jesus is, and yet you can read His mind, and judge His servants in His stead, good for you. Won't He be pleased when He returns.

I'm pretty sure Jesus taught his followers to love their neighbors as they love themselves... and to be peaceful witnesses... to be an example... to be humble.... to bring people to his Father in heaven via the route of the loving, peaceful, humble, charitable, caring, compassionate, and forgiving witness .

That is what Jesus taught. Those who actually follow those teachings have my profound respect and admiration.

Those who look at those teachings, and toss them over their shoulder in favor of scorn, abuse, self-righteousness, mockery, hatred, and venom... may CALL themselves Christians. But they do not follow the teachings of the Nazarene.

And as I stated earlier, they view any criticism of their behavior as a criticism of Christianity. They are so prideful and so bold as to consider themselves Christians, even though they wholely disregard the teachings.

145 posted on 11/04/2001 3:36:02 AM PST by OWK
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To: OWK
I'm pretty sure Jesus taught his followers to love their neighbors as they love themselves...

Indeed He did, He also taught us to hate ourselves.

and to be peaceful witnesses...

This statement is much more complex than you may know, seen as how you so glibbly threw it out there.

to be an example... True, but an example to whom of what?

to be humble.... True, but can you judge someones heart and mind something God claims for Himself and judge what to them is humility. In fact if someone showed you their humility would you even notice?

to bring people to his Father in heaven via the route of the loving, peaceful, humble, charitable, caring, compassionate, and forgiving witness .

Completely wrong, but then that is not surprising since you know neither my Father or my Brother.

146 posted on 11/04/2001 4:02:40 AM PST by Goblins
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To: Goblins
Yet another soldier in the army of the self-righteous.

Good luck to you.

147 posted on 11/04/2001 4:05:38 AM PST by OWK
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To: OWK
I thank you for your good wishes and return the same, but I ask you to question yourself on who is being self righteous, the person who speaks about his faith from the position of a believer or the one who speaks of somebody elses faith and how they should act according to it without believing in it themselves?
148 posted on 11/04/2001 4:33:36 AM PST by Goblins
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To: Goblins
Once again, I have nothing but respect for the practice of the faith as Jesus taught it.

And to be honest with you, it really isn't all that hard to understand what Jesus taught. He didn't speak in tongues. He didn't issue a secret decoder ring. He didn't use a secret hand-language for the "special people".

He spoke very plainly, and very precisely.

He instructed his followers to be loving, compassionate, peaceful, forgiving, caring and humble witnesses to the glory of his Father in heaven.

That's what he said.

If you think he actually SAID these things, but really MEANT something else... then I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

149 posted on 11/04/2001 4:39:12 AM PST by OWK
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To: Bellflower
"Sir Francis Dashwood, I do hate Halloween and I hate "Santa Claus". Halloween is a time when people identify with and celebrate witches, warlocks, and every evil thing. This is often done under the guise of harmlessness. It is not harmless to lift up evil for any reason. It's like playing with fire. Also, the thing I most hate about "Santa Claus" is the fact that he is a lie that parents tell their childern. I don't think parents should lie to their children. Also all that "Santa Claus" stuff tends to take away from the real message of Christmas.

The "Freedom of Thought Foundation" (Annie Gaylord) in Madison are the leaders in this country when it comes to keeping God out of public places but they are complete hypocrits because they do not care if witches and gobblins and devils are in schools on Halloween and do not care that Madison's parks have pagoda likenesses in them. They obviously mainly hate the God of the Christians and Jews. They seem to hate him much more then not believe in his existance. And as some might say, I am not a sour puss or someone who is unhappy because I do not practice an evil holiday. I am merely a discerning Christian.

Ex atheist,

Kathleen"

It amazes me as an atheist how the radical left wing has planted the seeds of destruction in American society. Even a discerning atheist can see it while many conservatives just go along to get along.

Perhaps this is influenced by the example of some of the angry responses I have recieved about these questions I ask at the beginning of this thread. Merely asking or seeking an intelligent discusson on the topic, even from fellow FReepers, engenders a great deal of emotion and unwillingness to confront the issue.

When will men be men again?

150 posted on 11/04/2001 4:41:57 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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