Posted on 11/05/2001 4:57:09 AM PST by JohnHuang2
Must have missed it.
Has anyone ever met a moderate Muslim?
You know what? That is the BEST SUMMARIZATION I've seen. It should go on bumper-stickers, and I am really serious about this. I'm hearing all over the place "This isn't Islam, that isn't Islam, the murdering, the infibulation and oppression of women, the tyranny, the corruption, the manipulation, the suicide bombers.... those are all not the "real" Islam." So what is the real Islam? You are right. Islam is whatever Muslims do in its name.
They are either the biggest wusses in the world, too afraid to come out and say anything against the jihad, or they are simply a fiction created in the minds of our nation's lefty editors.
You have made some excellent points in your reply.
They are hanging out with the pro-life Democrats.
While that philosophy is usually correct, in this case unfortunately, these people will not leave us alone.
Nothing short of the westernization of the entire region as was done in Turkey is necessary to ensure our very survival.
When Islam has the bomb to the degree the west has, they will force unacceptable concessions from us under the threat of nuclear war.
The Nuclear club is now closed, no more Islamic nations need apply, or will be accepted.
I see your Jihad and raise you one Holocaust and a Genocide.
I know, I know, some were just caught up in the radical chic of it, and did little beyond name their child Jamal or Jabbar or Abdul or Muhammad. But now the fat is in the fire, and such slime must either repent and re-americanize, or join their chosen tribes in the Ummah.
No. I've met some "lapsed" Muslims, though. You know, raised Muslim but about as fervent as a wet kleenex.
Extinct or oxymoronic? Your call! LOL!
Same here, I've met some Iranians and Indians who are nominally Muslim but even they will refer to the true believers as "crazies". I also think Islam is an Arab desert "religion" or more like political system, others like Iranians and Turks might have been forced to convert to it by Arab invaders and so are still Muslim but not very deeply.
If such a process is to occur again, it must be from below. Trying to impose it from above (as was done in Iran) is courting disaster.
This guy should look at the history of Iran and realize how Islam was forced onto the Persians and should understand why we don't want it done to us:
The initial attack of the Arabs in 632 (during Abu Bakr) may have looked to the Iranian military authorities as a sporadic nomadic raid on a settled community. The Iranian army crushed the subsequent raids of the Muslim forces on the border towns, in 634 (during Omar). However in the following battles the highly motivated and disciplined Arab army emerged victorious, sealing the fate of the Iranian empire, The Muslims gave Iranians three options: to espouse Islam and, at least in theory, rank pari passu with Muslims, to pay the poll tax and enjoy security and freedom of religion, or continue the military confrontation and await God’s will. In these battles the victorious Arab army collected considerable booty, seized Iranian women as concubines, and their children as slaves. It seems that at the beginning, political dominance rather than conversion into Islam was the goal of the Arabs. Likewise in the first two decades Zoroastrians did not show any interest in Islam, and frequent rebellions betrayed Iranians’ strong feelings about the Arab invasion. The Iranians had submitted to the military supremacy of Muslims without any intention to surrender their faith. http://www.vohuman.org/Articles/Conflict%20and%20cooperation.htm
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