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US drops the weapon that packs an 'atomic' punch
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 11/07/2001 | Michael Smith

Posted on 11/06/2001 4:40:52 PM PST by Pokey78

AMERICA has stepped up the pressure on the Taliban using bombs with the same destructive force as a small thermo-nuclear device.

The 15,000lb BLU-82, or Daisy-Cutter high-blast bomb, the world's largest conventional device, was developed during the Vietnam War. The Americans are thought to have used only one of the devices so far against the Taliban.

It is so large that it is normally dropped from a C130 transport aircraft. A 4ft-long detonation rod, which emerges from the 17ft-long bomb after it is dropped, releases a cloud of inflammable ammonium nitrate, aluminium dust and polystyrene slurry.

This is then ignited by a second detonator, scorching the surrounding area, consuming oxygen and creating a shock wave and vacuum pressure that destroys the internal organs of anyone within range. The bomb has the ability to clear a three-mile path through a minefield.

Like the B52 bombers dropping "long sticks" of bombs, commonly described as carpet bombing, the Daisy Cutter was used to great effect against Iraq's Republican Guard during the Gulf war.

During the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, the Russians developed a hand-held launcher to fire similar bombs into the caves of the Mujahideen, who called it the "Satan Stick".

Its use against the Taliban frontlines coincides with an escalation of attacks on the caves and tunnels where Osama bin Laden and his terrorist colleagues are thought to hide.

The increased number of special forces on the ground has provided better intelligence allowing the US aircraft to attack the caves, Donald Rumsfeld, US defence secretary, said on his way back from a visit to the region.

Russia has also provided intelligence on the caves that were used by the Afghan forces and the mujahideen during the Soviet occupation, defence officials said.

The bombing also includes the use of the 5,000lb GBU-28 "Deep Throat" bunker-buster which burrows down through as much as 20ft of rock before exploding inside the cave. Its "smart" fuse can tell the difference between rock, concrete, earth and air.



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1 posted on 11/06/2001 4:40:52 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
More on the BLU-82 on this thread.
2 posted on 11/06/2001 4:44:16 PM PST by Earl B.
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Isn't it great how one problem tends to solve another? At last--the Navy (and all other services) have a practice range for our bombs that pleases everyone!!!!


4 posted on 11/06/2001 4:49:40 PM PST by ChemistCat
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"Isn't it great how one problem tends to solve another? At last--the Navy (and all other services) have a practice range for our bombs that pleases everyone!!!!

And this one has real live targets to chase. Our guys can get some "for real" training time in!

5 posted on 11/06/2001 4:56:52 PM PST by StormEye
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To: Pokey78
Reporters always get something imortant wrong. This guy says that the fuel is released when the bomb is four feet off the ground. It seems from the films of the bomb that the fuel is released 100 or even 200 feet above the ground, and is detonated by the main body of the bomb when IT is about four feet off the ground.
6 posted on 11/06/2001 5:03:34 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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check the diagram, you will see that the release occurs when the extended fuse his the ground.
7 posted on 11/06/2001 5:10:52 PM PST by learner
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To: Arthur McGowan
Just above the ground when the fuse hits. Not the same as a FAE (Explosive is Aluminum powder):

Specifications

Class 15,000 lb. Blast/Fragmentation
Guidance Ballistic
Control:
Autopilot: None
Propulsion: None
Weight (lb.) 15,000
Length (in) 141.6
Diameter (in) 54
Warhead (lbs.) 15,000
Explosive Aluminum Powder (12,600 lbs.)
Fuze M904 (Nose); M905 (Tail)
Unit Cost $27,318
Aircraft MC-130

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/blu-82.htm

8 posted on 11/06/2001 5:18:30 PM PST by Pokey78
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As I recall the US dropped a 15 ton bomb on the Cambodian pirates that high jacked a US Ship back in the early 70's. I don't know if it was the same thing, but it made a big bang even then.
9 posted on 11/06/2001 5:19:47 PM PST by Joee
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Ricky Martin wants the bombing to stop...

Well, then, maybe we should...

when all the camel-jockey terrorists are dead...

FReegards,

10 posted on 11/06/2001 5:23:34 PM PST by Capitalist Eric
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To: Pokey78
The Guardian - Interactive Flash animation - How do 'daisy cutter' bombs work?
11 posted on 11/06/2001 5:27:20 PM PST by HAL9000
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"normally dropped from C-130"

Hmmmm?? Maybe that's why a C-130 group has left the Philippines for an undisclosed location??

12 posted on 11/06/2001 5:39:58 PM PST by Sueann
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Well then, I'm confused, or Fox News is, because I watched them talking about the BLU-82, the Daisy Cutter, while showing films of an FAE and talking about it as an FAE bomb.
13 posted on 11/06/2001 6:00:00 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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During the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, the Russians developed a hand-held launcher to fire similar bombs into the caves of the Mujahideen, who called it the "Satan Stick".

can you draw a picture of a hand-held device that shoots a 15 ton bomb into a cave?

14 posted on 11/06/2001 6:01:31 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: Arthur McGowan
It's OK. Fox had the wrong video.

Think of BLU-82 as a conventional bomb on steroids.

15 posted on 11/06/2001 6:08:06 PM PST by LibKill
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To: Arthur McGowan
Either Fox News is confused, or they don't have video of the Daisy Cutter so they use film of a FAE. I noticed that earlier this evening.
16 posted on 11/06/2001 6:12:30 PM PST by michaelt
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To: gusopol3
Awww...don't tell me some Talibanis got killed.


17 posted on 11/06/2001 6:13:26 PM PST by SerpentDove
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To: Arthur McGowan
Reporters always get something imortant wrong.

They sure do, Fox news has been showing a film of a fuel air bomb all afternoon and calling it a daisy cutter. This report mixes the two. The daisy cutter explodes when it's 38" fuse hits the ground.
The fuel air bomb explodes in the air spreading fuel then explodes the fuel air vapors, like shown in the tapes you've seen.
Daisy cutters only explode once, they don't release a cloud of inflammable ammonium nitrate, aluminium dust and polystyrene slurry. BTW that mix is flammable.

18 posted on 11/06/2001 6:21:06 PM PST by Slewfoot
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yeah- to the best of my knowledge the Dc is just a big conventional bomb- the ammonium nitrate is the oxidizer, and the powedered aluminium is the fuel.
19 posted on 11/06/2001 6:29:03 PM PST by fourdeuce82d
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Thanks for the article, but I believe it is a pretty significant exaggeration to liken this bomb to a small nuke. I think that the journalist is just overstating the idea of the "poor man's nuke."

If I remember correctly, a small tactical nuke is a 1 kiloton (TNT equivalent) weapon. That's 2,000,000 lbs of conventional explosive. I don't see how a 15,000-lb weapon can be compared to this. It seems to me that between 100 and 200 of the daisy cutters would be required to equal a tactical nuke.

(A medium-sized thermonuclear bomb would be a megaton, i.e., 1000 times as big as a small tactical nuke. A large weapon would be 10 megatons, or 10,000 times as big as the one-kiloton weapon. If my reasoning is correct, a large hydrogen bomb would be a million daisy cutters.)

Are there any munitions experts on FR who could shed more light on this?

20 posted on 11/06/2001 6:31:43 PM PST by the_doc
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