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IE security hole leads to cookie jar (Get A Mac!)
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| 11/09/01
| Staff Writer, CNET News.com
Posted on 11/09/2001 10:40:49 AM PST by toupsie
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Where I work the Linux servers were all infected with some kind of worm. The brass decided to replace them with Windows servers
To: borg
I just installed RedHat 7.2 on a server I just pulled from the field so I could play around with KDE 2. Pretty sharp. Still not the yummy goodness of Darwin/Quartz/Aqua that is Mac OS X but its getting close. Supposively, Mac OS X is going to get a Linux compatibility layer for binaries soon from the LinuxPPC project.
On a side note, Apple actually made its own distro of Linux in the mid-90s called MkLinux. It was a test bed for the mach kernel that is used in Mac OS X.
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posted on
11/09/2001 1:05:09 PM PST
by
toupsie
To: toupsie
Maybe some Mac genius could place another button on the mouse so I don't have to travel ALL THE WAY across a HUGE monitor to adjust bold text...
Macs suck.
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posted on
11/09/2001 1:12:00 PM PST
by
Benrand
To: Benrand
Get any USB multi-button mouse and plug it into the Mac. Begin right-clicking immediately with no driver installation. Problem solved.
To: toupsie
Nice work, toupsie.
Cheers, CC :)
To: Benrand
Maybe some Mac genius could place another button on the mouse so I don't have to travel ALL THE WAY across a HUGE monitor to adjust bold text Well you most certainly are not a genius because you don't have a clue how a Macintosh works. The Mac I am using right now has 6 mouse buttons on my trackball that's 4 more buttons than a standard PC mouse. So if the number of mouse buttons makes an OS better by your logic, PCs really suck. Plus on my Mac, all I have to do to change text to BOLD is select the text and say "Bold". The built in Speech Input system in a Macintosh is amazing. I can almost voice control the entire operating system and applications. That isn't some add on but something that is built into the Operating System.
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posted on
11/09/2001 1:27:31 PM PST
by
toupsie
To: aimhigh
The last time I downloaded an IE patch, I ended up having to reformat and reload everything. But, since there isn't any competition....There's competition! Why not try Opera?
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posted on
11/09/2001 1:30:46 PM PST
by
Timesink
To: ThinkDifferent
Exactly! But the way the Mac OS was designed, you only need one button on your mouse to work. I can't you the number of hours I have wasted in my life instructing Windows users on which mouse button they should use to complete an operation. My favorite question, "How do I know if I am clicking the 'RIGHT' mouse button? Will something light up on my computer that will tell me that its correct?".
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posted on
11/09/2001 1:33:32 PM PST
by
toupsie
To: Benrand
The Logitech mouse I'm currently using on my G4 has 5 buttons.
What exactly is the sixth button going to do for you that the other five haven't?
As for security risks, it is foolish to point fingers at other platforms too much.
Security requires further vigilance than relying on your computer maker to keep the bad guys out.
Up till now we in the Mac community have been "lucky" that our systems and AppleTalk networking
were not prevalent among hackers.
That has drastically changed with the freeBSD underpinnings in our OS.
From known problems in the 'NIX community with Apache and Perl/cgi to new issues with Apple's
implementation of iDisk we need to stop pointing fingers and start rooting out our own problems.
my .02
To: toupsie
Eventually, there will be a truly devastating virus, one that causes massive worldwide data destruction causing trillions of dollars in damage. (Whether it will be Islamic terrorism or just some lone 23-year-old geek, is up for grabs.) When this happens, and only Windows users are affected by it, only then will people finally understand the true insidiousness and willful neglect of Microsoft.
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posted on
11/09/2001 1:34:13 PM PST
by
Timesink
To: toupsie
You see, I don't use a brand new Mac, I have one that is somewhat old and has a stock mouse with ONE BUTTON...
iMacs come with ONE button...in fact, I think all of them come with ONE button. Stupid design. Most techs I know agree wholeheartedly.
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posted on
11/09/2001 1:38:05 PM PST
by
Benrand
To: toupsie
"How do I know if I am clicking the 'RIGHT' mouse button? Will something light up on my computer that will tell me that its correct?". Yep, these are the 4% who probably SHOULD be using Macs.
To: Virginia-American
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Where I work the Linux servers were all infected with some kind of worm. The brass decided to replace them with Windows servers."
An expensive and unnecessary move imo. I got a linux virtual root trojan via a Windows '98 HD while booted in Windows. Some viruses are made to load vai Windows and attack linux and vice-versa since they can pass unrecognized thru each OS's virus scanner.
My solution was to dump '98; write 0s to the linux HD; reload Mandrake 8.1 and put XPpro (fat32) on the zeroed-out Windows drive and reload my database. Worked like a charm. The name of the virus was CodeRed.C. It's an NT4-based virus. It has 3 NT4 payloads and uses the 2000 Server exploit simply for transmission.
The NT5 OSs are nice though. However, you can pay $400 for XPpro's protected memory and file system or get the same for free using Mandrake 8.1 with JFS:Reiser partitioning.
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posted on
11/09/2001 1:46:25 PM PST
by
Justa
To: Benrand
Most techs I know agree wholeheartedly. And there's your problem. Macs are not designed for techs, they are designed for normal people. You and I have no trouble with 5-button mice and scroll wheels, but not everyone is as comfortable with computers. Macs are designed to be completely usable with one button, while taking advantage of extra buttons if available, which seems like a good decision to me. I do agree that the "professional" Mac models (G4 towers) should ship with a multi-button mouse, but it's a minor quibble.
To: Benrand
iMacs come with ONE button...in fact, I think all of them come with ONE button. Stupid design. Most techs I know agree wholeheartedly. Do any of these "techs" actually know how a Macintosh operates or are they the typical tech that only supports what their $5,000 MSCE course taught them? And what is a tech? Someone that works for me, an Administrator. If you are focused on the number of buttons on your mouse, it sounds like a personal problem. The fewer number input devices required to run a computer is better not more. A computer is supposed to reduce work load not increase confusion.
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posted on
11/09/2001 1:48:18 PM PST
by
toupsie
To: Justa
The NT5 OSs are nice though. However, you can pay $400 for XPpro's protected memory and file system or get the same for free using Mandrake 8.1 with JFS:Reiser partitioning. Have you tried out ext3? I am having fun with my backup database server pushing a high load on it and pulling the power plug on it to see it recover without skipping a beat. I have to try out JFS:Reiser.
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posted on
11/09/2001 1:51:10 PM PST
by
toupsie
To: ThinkDifferent
And there's your problem. Macs are not designed for techs, they are designed for normal people I would have to disagree. Mac OS X is perfect for "Techs". The power of BSD/UNIX with the ease and speed of Mac. DROOL!!!
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posted on
11/09/2001 1:53:14 PM PST
by
toupsie
To: toupsie
Thanks for your post. I didn't know about this problem.
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posted on
11/09/2001 1:53:49 PM PST
by
nicmarlo
To: toupsie
I think ext3 is RH's name for JFS. Ext3 pretty much = JFS:Reiser and JFS:X. I read a comparision and Reiser's a little better than X. Oh, and I did the power-off test right away. No sense loading an OS if the files system doesn't 'test-out'. It came back fine -and in about a min!
I tried to break JFS:Reiser on Mandrake 8.1beta2 and succeeded on the second attempt. The reworked JFS:Reiser for 8.1final survived 3 attempts so I'm using that now (along with XPpro on another channel). They're both great imo but Linux's security is (of course) better since it's not shell based.
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posted on
11/09/2001 2:29:34 PM PST
by
Justa
To: toupsie
OK, I haven't touched a Mac in 15 years, but this new OS X sounds interesting. Previous Apple OS were not very open, and it was darn near impossible to write apps for them. But OS X seems to be something that a programmer could get into. Am I correct ? Or is programming still taboo on Apple systems?
If OS X is programmable, and I wanted to get it, what is the best system to go for? Is it upgradeable/tweakable?
Can you post links to some info and impartial reviews?
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posted on
11/09/2001 2:44:05 PM PST
by
fnord
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