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First let me thank you for your pre-coffee post, and say that we can agree that the statement by Alan Keyes on Bush's decision was (I will qualify by adding at a minimum) an unfortunate choice of words.

You said to Howlin: The response I got from Daughter of an IwoJima Vet didn't suggest to me that she found it insulting. Can you help me se what was insulting about it so that I can apologize?

If I may offer this: It has been suggested to me on this thread that things said to me that I interpreted as insulting were not, or at least not as insulting as I found them. (There was some confusion over which specific remarks we were discussing, and that's what I was trying to clear up when I responded to you.) It was also assumed that I misinterpreted and misunderstood the statements that provoked my reaction.

I think some kind individuals - like Howlin - would argue that my reaction is my reaction, and it really isn't anyone else's place to determine whether I should or should not be offended. It could almost be interpreted as an invalidation to an individual when that territory is ventured into. I don't believe you intended to be invalidating, so I didn't make a big deal out of it - but I think that's one of the points to be made here.

You weren't the only one to do this. I actually received Freeper mail from a Keyes supporter suggesting that I got "hot" about this, as if I instigated it. If you look carefully at the thread, I did not. (And yes, there was a Keyester who suggested Bush needed to "use" Keyes.)

I hope this partial explanation makes some sense to you. I'm having a difficult time articulating it; Howlin is doing far better than I am.

I'm a little focused on a big win by my Packers. : )

It has been suggested to me on this thread that things said to me that I interpreted as insulting were not, or at least not as insulting as I found them.

That's okay, it's been suggested to me on this thread that I said things I didn't say, and meant to say things I didn't say, and what I said was not what I meant.

I'm personally at a loss to understand how certain people are able to interpret what anyone says correctly, and some of us don't even know what we ourselves are saying.

It has been suggested to me on this thread that things said to me that I interpreted as insulting were not, or at least not as insulting as I found them.

Well, this just gets better as we go along, doesn't it? Now, not only do we not understand what Alan Keyes says when it's printed on a page for us to read, and not only do we not understand Alan Keyes' gestures when we see it with our own eyes, but now apparently we don't even understand our OWN reactions to his words and gestures.

Thank goodness for the Keyesters, or we'd NEVER understand Alan Keyes. No wonder he's so "misunderstood." He has to have a pack of people following him around, explaining his every word. Quite the orator, I'd say.