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To: Dominic Harr
Gee, those of use who have looked at the evidence presented in court realize that Microsoft's 'win' was largely due to illegal contracts with distributors.

Yeah, something that somehow every other OS manufacturer had failed to do. Call it illegal, unethical, evil or whatever you like, it obviously worked.

And if Linux does as well as Java, then Windows is in big trouble. I'm guessing you don't realize that Java is now without a doubt the industry leader in new software development. Just do a job search for the various kinds of developers. There are far more Java jobs than C++ or VB, and the Java jobs pay more.

You had me going up until you said there were more Java jobs out there then C++. I have a seriously difficulty accepting this one.

From what I've seen for myself, there is a problem with Java and speed. I've seen at least one web basd app written in Java that couldn't cut it in terms of speed. I have also heard anecdotal stories regarding Java suggesting the same thing. And I don't think you can blame MS for that one.

Which is too bad, since I rather like Java. I think it's a better language then VB, and much less frustrating then C++.

51 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:39 PM PST by altayann
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To: altayann
Yeah, something that somehow every other OS manufacturer had failed to do.

Because they chose to obey the law. MS broke the law with illegal conracts, signed a consent agreement back in 95 to stop, then broke that consent agreement.

This is about criminal wrongdoing. A mountain of evidence convicted them, and the conviction was upheld by friendly Supreme Court and Appeals Courts.

You had me going up until you said there were more Java jobs out there then C++. I have a seriously difficulty accepting this one.

Please, don't take my word for it. Check Monster.com, or any of them. I wouldn't ever ask you to take *my* word for it.

From what I've seen for myself, there is a problem with Java and speed.

Again, I won't ask you to take my word for it.

Microsoft Themselves Uses Java applets for their online offerings.

Tens of thousands use Java applets all day every day, and don't find them slow. Go there and play 'Spades', 'Chess', 'Hearts', or a few dozen others.

Yahoo's chat program 'Messenger' is another fine example.

Or one of these thousands of applets might be a better example.

Please do not take my word for it. Evaluate it for yourself.

Java is 'slow' like a Ford Taurus is 'slow'. Java isn't the fastest language around. It is only capable of around a million calculations a second. It is not ready to make hard-core 3d games, or any software that has to number crunch something millions of times.

But it's perfect for all home software uses. And it is the dominant choice for new development, by far. And besides -- the power in todays machines pretty much makes speed of execution moot. If today's Java is slow, it's still faster on today's machines than C++ was on a Pentium I. Why wasn't that 'too slow'?

It's the hottest thing in corporate IT, but it needs a high-speed connection to really come into it's own. So consumers won't see what we're using in corps until high-speed internet access penetrates the market.

But tis only a matter of time.

54 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11:23 PM PST by Dominic Harr
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