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Vetetans Protest Student Mural's Pairing U.S., Mexican Flags
Denver Post ^ | Nov.12, 2001 | Nancy Lofholm

Posted on 11/13/2001 9:23:12 AM PST by healey22

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To: jstrevino
"We should be allowed to fly a Mexican flag if we like -- as a banner of pride, not allegiance."

Then there shouldn't be any problem with flying the Confederate Battle Flag or the Stars and Bars, should there?

And for those way out there, how about the Hammer and Sickle or the Swastika?

101 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:12 PM PST by BlueLancer
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To: jstrevino
So much for assimilation.

"Nor is this ambivalence about American identity confined to Muslim immigrants and their children. The most comprehensive evidence we have on the patriotic assimilation of the children of immigrants is a longitudinal study by the Russell Sage Foundation. This study of 5,000 children of immigrants (mostly Mexican-American and Filipino-American teenagers) revealed that after four years of American high school, the students were 50 percent more likely to consider themselves "Mexicans" or "Filipinos," than "Mexican-Americans," or " Filipino-Americans, " or just plain "Americans." In other words, patriotic assimilation or self-identification with the American nation actually decreased (and decreased dramatically) after four years of studying in American schools. "

Americanization Now
Getting serious about assimilation.
By John Fonte, senior fellow, Hudson Institute,
www.nationalreview.com
November 8, 2001 8:55 a.m.

102 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:32 PM PST by BlueLancer
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To: PRND21
Are you stalking me?
103 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:52 PM PST by skeeter
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To: BlueLancer
Big difference between the old USSR flag and the Confederate flag. One was/is the sworn enemy, the other a sworn defender of the US Constitution. You should have realised that.
104 posted on 11/16/2001 1:16:04 PM PST by Balding_Eagle
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To: Balding_Eagle
No, I do realize that. That's why I separated them. But I'm sure that there are some who have emigrated here who have a fondness for the old Soviet Union flag (and maybe even some with an attachment to the Swastika). So I was merely taking JSTREVINO's argument to it's unsupportable extreme.

I have three flagpoles, the center one flying the US flag, the one on the right flying the Texas flag, and the one on the left flying the Confederate Battle Flag. They fly all of the time, spotlit round-the-clock.

105 posted on 11/16/2001 1:16:12 PM PST by BlueLancer
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To: PRND21; Arleigh
Ridiculous

No, what is ridiculous is you. Where have you been hiding lately? Still ready to support more criminal illegal aliens that slaughter American citzens. The whole world is on to your scam now. You must be crying boo hoo!

106 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:10 PM PST by healey22
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To: healey22
Still ready to support more criminal illegal aliens that slaughter American citzens.

You mean the ones from Canada?
Still distancing yourself from facts, I see.
So, who's the new Richard Masters?

107 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:49 PM PST by PRND21
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To: skeeter
Are you stalking me?

No, I'm just a fan of your fanciful logic, i.e.,

Nor would I have a problem with Mexican flag waving if it were limited to a gratuitous, heavily promoted annual holiday.

108 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:49 PM PST by PRND21
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To: jstrevino
No it's not. It's a crotchety old man with nothing better to do.

Veterans' Day was just this week and this is how you will refer to them? This "crotchety old man" as you call him was once a young man who put his own life on the line so that we can have our freedoms. He would have died for the US flag to fly and he has a right to comment on seeing a flag from a foreign country being displayed, which it should not be. If these LULAC people chose to live in the US, they should leave behind their flag, if they really love Mexico, then they should stay in Mexico and work to build it into a better country.

109 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:51 PM PST by FITZ
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To: jstrevino
You wanted to know why you should respect Mexico.

I respect Mexico as a separate sovereign nation, and I would also find it very wrong if Americans went there and painted US flags on their buildings. That would be very rude and should get them sent home. It goes both ways.

110 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:51 PM PST by FITZ
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To: NYCVirago
Sorry but in my area they aren't taking jobs of " ...busboys, gardeners, maids, and dishwashers."

In the last 10 years ILLEGALS have virtually taken over the fish processing biz. Those seasonal jobs used to go to ambitious college students (U.S.Citizens) many of whom came up here on their first adventure out on their own, and learning just how hard they could work to survive.

And many of those jobs were also important to locals who now cannot get hired.

Last night a small contractor friend of mine told me about a bunch of Illegal Mexicans who have just finished a drywall job on a government project, and up here that means 'Davis-Bacon' @$28 hr. The guy who managed to get the contract and use the Illegals, disappeared with ALL the wages leaving the Illegals standing around waiting for their checks.

It infuriates me that Illegals are taking these construction jobs from local citizens. So forget this BS that ...' oh well, they only take jobs Americans are unwilling or too lazy to work'.

Total bullshit!! The Illegals are stealing opportunity from LEGAL American citizens. They should all be identified and DEPORTED NOW.

111 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:07 PM PST by CIBvet
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To: A Navy Vet
I've never bought that reasoning for allowing illegals to stay. Who did these jobs before the flood of immigrants? The answer: teenagers, young adults, homeowners, housewives, African-Americans, young American craftsman (construction), poor white families (agriculture).

It's false to think that the immigrants have come and wrested those jobs away from citizens by working for lower wages. It's a simple supply-and-demand situation: more jobs were available than workers, so the workers came from abroad (mostly Mexico) to fill the jobs. The immigrants did not come and wait for jobs to open up; rather, the existing jobs lured the immigrants.

Aside from cases of political or ethnic persecution, what immigrants go to places where they cannot work?

This is illustrated particularly well by the economic boom of the 1990s, when we came about as close to full employment as is possible. Immigrants, far from denying citizens jobs, performed jobs that citizens did not want or did not have to do.

112 posted on 11/16/2001 1:27:09 PM PST by silmaril
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To: Un-PC
If this student is dead-set on painting Mexican flag murals, why doesn't she move to Mexico and change her citizenship?

Because she is an American. Did you miss her stated rationale for painting the Mexican flag in the first place? Did you miss her willingness to give Old Glory proper honor and prominence?

We need to close our southern border, repatriate all illegals, and put an immediate stop to immigration before we lose what's left of our American culture.

If only we could have done that before your forebears immigrated....

113 posted on 11/16/2001 1:27:09 PM PST by silmaril
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To: trank
Can you say LULAC has an agenda?

And that is germaine to this situation how? The fact of the matter is that, in this case, LULAC has done the right thing in acceding to the American Legion's wishes (as opposed to Sukle's). Whatever else you may think of LULAC, you have little cause to critique it here.

Mexican leaders and their citizens have shown contempt for the united states of america.

Yeah, that's why Mexicans yearn for the promise of America, its freedoms, and its opportunities. That's why Vicente Fox is the most pro-American president in Mexican history.

114 posted on 11/16/2001 1:27:10 PM PST by silmaril
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To: trank
Please move back to Europe with the oh i don't want to seem hurtful and patriotic.

Don't be a fool. My patriotism and Americanism is not yours to question. I suggest you read post no.25 on this thread and edify yourself. I was born in Texas and educated in South Carolina. I have worn the uniform of an American soldier. Who are you?

Your either American or your not.

You're clearly a man familiar with shades of meaning.

Flying the mexican flag is a disgrace and denotes one's allegiance.

Oh really? You have special insight as to why I might fly a Mexican flag?

Thank God for the military vets proud and patriotic to stand up to this dual nationalism crap!

Here's one military vet, proud and patriotic, who thinks this is a load of nonsense.

115 posted on 11/16/2001 1:33:03 PM PST by silmaril
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To: Looking4Truth
Well said.
116 posted on 11/16/2001 1:34:00 PM PST by silmaril
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To: Ruth A.
Her family gave up their culture when they gave up their Mexican citizenship. Trying to bring your in your own culture into an established culture only creates divisiveness, if she love Mexico why doesn't she move there? I don't fly a Norweigen flag and don't care about my heritage for one simple reason I am an American!
117 posted on 11/16/2001 1:42:24 PM PST by illbenice
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To: snodog
Why did'nt this young lady know that the Flag of The United States should always be displayed by it's self and to the right when displayed with other flags? It is my fault, and the sting hurts.

Well, put, sir. The very point I was trying to make in no.79.

118 posted on 11/16/2001 2:18:15 PM PST by silmaril
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To: lavaroise
Traveling may show intent to learn but no actual learning....You have not even paid attention to what I was saying.

You have said very little. First you urged me to travel, presumably so that I would agree with you. Now you know that I have travelled, and I still don't agree with you, so you chalk it up to my lack of learning on my travels. It's all very juvenile. Clearly the only reason we disagree is because I have failed. Clearly.

119 posted on 11/16/2001 2:21:42 PM PST by silmaril
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To: lavaroise
Average Mexicans may at times like America, but that is certainly not true of the white Mexican elite which were cheering when the WTC was bombed.

Read the Guardian lately?
You can find that loathesome element in any country.

But you won't address the bottom line.

Pray tell what you think it is.

120 posted on 11/16/2001 2:25:47 PM PST by silmaril
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