[Zionist Conspirator]

Now perhaps you can explain the bizarre combination under the Zionist banner of people like the Randian Peikoff, the liberal Martin Peretz, and the extremist Kahane. So many groups from socialists, anarchists and communists to fascists and religious totalitarians have gathered under that flag as well. You have some explaining of your own to do. You see, that's a game that any number can play.

Hey--Kahana' was a RIGHT-WING extremist!

Once again--what is the connection between opposing rightwing nationalism and hiearchialism among Jews as a means of restoring it everywhere else? Perhaps you can tell me of how Kahana' supported leftist social policies in the United States?

Second, I agree with what you say about each side having strange (and undesirable) allies. But while I am embarrassed by Dershowitz and the ADL, most anti-Israel conservatives are willing to make a hero out of any liberal who joins them in opposing Israel (Chomsky, Ramsey Clark, Fulani, Findlay, Fulbright, etc.). I can explain to you very easily, though, why I do not allow my own undesirable allies to change my views. I idealize the Bible. In the Bible the Jew is permanently frozen in amber as Yehoshua` Bin Nun (Joshua), exterminating G-dless Canaanites as the sun and moon stand still in the sky to assist him. This is a far different picture than that which Joe Sobran sees, or anyone to whom the Jews are primarily the trouble-making dissidents of chr*stendom. Any further questions???

And btw, I am a throne and altar conservative. That's one reason it hurts me to be labelled a "neo" just because the Jews will always be Biblical Israel to me, and not rootless urban cosmopolitan exiles.

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I didn't specify what kind of extremist Kahane was. I just stated the undeniable fact that he was an extremist, and one of a very different sort than Leonard Peikoff, with views that are also very different from those of Martin Peretz.

I'm not aware that paleos are truly promoting nationalism or particularism everywhere but in Israel. Some of them -- and here one is speaking of a very small intellectual group within a small movement -- do have sympathies with European Rightist groups, especially the Lega Nord in Italy. The average paleo probably doesn't know or care about such groups, and is only focused on American affairs. Given the attitude of Thomas Fleming and some others in that small group towards Serbia and Bosnia, they probably would be very well disposed to Israeli or Zionist self-assertiveness, provided 1) that the US was not involved, and 2) that their real archenemies, the neoconservatives, were also not involved.

As for me, I've gotten a little tired of particularism precisely because of the kind of wild claims its partisans come up with. The problem isn't so much with the American heritage of individual rights, rather it's that we've let the ties that held us together as a nation and a people lapse in order to promote the global order. One can maintain universal standards of justice, yet recognize that some are family and others are not. One doesn't have to wish them ill or seek to disenfranchise them. One only has to recognize that good fences make good neighbors.

BTW, I suspect that most Israelis still would not agree with you. And that's something I'd hold in their favor.