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To: Senator Pardek
Joe is an insufferable crackpot who believes in an "international Jewish thought-control apparatus".

No. Joe believes in the existence an American pro-Israeli thought-control apparatus. He is right. This apparatus exists. This apparatus is only a conspiracy in the original sense of the word - people who breathe together.

The apparatus gains its strength from a variety of sources. It comes from Zionist Jews. It comes from millenial Christians. Most importantly, it comes from general Western guilt over centuries of anti-semitism which culminated in the Nazi Holocaust. Interestingly, most Jews were anti-Zionists until Hitler's crimes were revealed to the world.

80 posted on 11/13/2001 5:59:42 PM PST by Architect
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To: Architect
No. Joe believes in the existence an American pro-Israeli thought-control apparatus. He is right.

Some sort of congratulations must be due to the international Jewish thought-control apparatus. It must be comforting to American taxpayers, who pay billions in aid to Israel, to know that they are helping to subsidize Israeli efforts to see to it that free speech doesn’t get out of control in democratic countries, from Germany to Canada to Australia. In Switzerland, for example, a man has just drawn a three-year prison sentence for the crime of Holocaust denial. Presumably he too was “dangerous” — to someone.--Joseph Sobran--from the article "The dangerous David Irving

82 posted on 11/13/2001 6:07:26 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: Architect
If "Crazy Joe" thought it was an "American pro-Israeli thought-control apparatus" instead of an "international Jewish thought-control apparatus", why does he refer to it as the latter?
84 posted on 11/13/2001 6:15:55 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: Architect
It comes from Zionist Jews. It comes from millenial Christians. [Emphasis added]

Wow! You mean you admit it??? Tex-oma won't like that.

What O what is the conservative movement going to do about those horrible millenial chr*stians? Maybe you should huddle with the ACLU and the ADL and come up with something.

197 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:13 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator
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To: Architect
Senator Pardek: Joe is an insufferable crackpot who believes in an "international Jewish thought-control apparatus".

Architect: No. Joe believes in the existence an American pro-Israeli thought-control apparatus. He is right. This apparatus exists.

Just wanted to ask you for a clarification, if you don't mind. Some words a key here, both in terms of the meaning and prescription for action.

Many people who use "control" in this context, mean something like "leading your thought, by various manipulations of facts, to a conclusion that is harmful to your own interest" --- an abominable behavior, if you ask me. Another meaning is "influencing by ensuring the presence of and focus on relevant information." This meaning is consistent with that of the word "lobby," although a combination "Jewish lobby" seems to be utilized it the former mode.

What do you mean by "control," and which belief do you impute to "Joe?"

This apparatus is only a conspiracy in the original sense of the word - people who breathe together.

I do not question your expertise in entimology, but here is what I found:

con·spir·a·cy (kn-spîr-s)
n. pl. con·spir·a·cies
1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
2. A group of conspirators.
3. Law. An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
4. A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design: a conspiracy of wind and tide that devastated coastal areas. ---------------------
[Middle English conspiracie, from Anglo-Norman, probably alteration of Old French conspiration, from Latin cnsprti, cnsprtin-, from cnsprtus, past participle of cnsprre, to conspire. See conspire.]
It appears diffiult to see what is "orignal" when it comes to English.

Regardless of the foregoing, however, surely you do not fail to see that most who speak of "Jewish conpiracy," especially when in a sentence together with "control of the media," are concerned with more than breathing together.

251 posted on 11/30/2001 10:58:14 AM PST by TopQuark
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