Posted on 11/13/2001 12:42:52 PM PST by Mitchell
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Initial impression - it seems rather far-fetched, but, then again, that's an impressive set of 'coincidences'.
Sorry, but the "evidence" is not only weak, it is outright MISSING! try again...
"Evidence?"
If the sequence of events as speculated about turns out to be true, what kind of evidence would be available?!
Would you dismiss a connection as unreal until an FBI agent just happens to walk into a two bedroom apartment where, in one bedroom, a guy is mixing up anthrax and in the other a guy is typing up computer code?
I mean, this is 2001. People doing this kind of terrorism aren't idiots. This weird, constant talk of "evidence" has an air of insanity to it.
More likely than not, there will NEVER be evidence that will stand up in a court of law EXPLAINING everything nice and tidy. But so what? Law enforcement or intelligent agencies still have to respond sooner rather than later to this kind of large scale threats. They have to act on something other than "court room evidence." And if we're going to understand what's going on around us, we have to recognize that although "evidence" is great and although it's dangerous to speculate without hard, material evidence, there are many situations where people just have to get creative, people have to trust their judgement, and people have to deal with conclusions based on them being persuasively true rather than true beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Reality is not a court room. It's just not. There is a kind of insanity in trying to deny all of reality that doesn't meet those utterly artificial standards.
Mark W.
By the way, the CDC now thinks there is an undiscovered letter, mailed before Oct. 24. This could be the hypothesized Oct. 12 letter in the article. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/570240/posts
This guy is so far out of his tree that it's pitiful. You see this phenomenon every time something happens on the malware front: a zillion wannabes popping up with one theory more bizarre than the next. Simply put, he's wrong. And if he had bothered to contact any of the people who knows about this stuff, he would know that he was wrong. That would probably not have deterred him from trying for some spotlight, though.
The author of Nimda is out there giving interviews and shouting for fame. Much like this dweeb.
Interviews? Can you give a source for this? I've seen nothing on it.
Two identical dates, plus similarity of method and purpose. How much more evidence could there be at this stage? It merits further investigation.similarity of method, i.e. meaning they are both "mail" (snail and "e") ... Yes, and ???? Does that mean that anyone that ever drove a truck has something in common with anyone else that drove a truck? especially if they did it on the same day? ... these "connections" are weaker than weak!!
Purpose?-That's redundant to "method" ... i.e. if your purpose is to get information channels blocked, you would in effect use the information channel to do the blocking. No, this is a great model for conspiracy chasers only.
Date- I have already stated that the ONLY thing going here is the similarity of dates ... but what is that? nothing.
SANTA and SATAN have the same letters, just rearranged ... heck that's got as much "conspiracy" grounding in it as this does.
Who would have thought that there were Japanese spying all over numerous countries in the late 30's and early 40's, collaborating with Nazi's to boot --including a certain chap who lived for awhile in Pearl Harbor and liked to watch the ships move in and out of port?
Silly speculation is fodder for mockery --except for the speculation that turns out to be true.You got a point there. Santa could after all be Satan, and remember, you read it here first!
Unlike the run-of-the-mill conspiracy theory, this ones has testable conclusions; it's falsifiable. If it's correct, there ought to have been anthrax mailings postmarked very close to Oct. 12 and Oct. 29. (Even if such mailings turn up, I would agree that that's not definitive proof. If no such mailings turn up, however, that would be a strong argument against the theory.)
By the way, the similarity of method is much more than the fact that both used mail. Both involve using mail to send unrelated destructive payloads to unsuspecting people. (This may still not be enough to satisfy your standards for a connection, but it is more of a connection than your characterization suggests.)
Also, the similarity of purpose isn't the same as that of method. People have suggested lots of other possible rationales behind the anthrax attack (a warning from Iraq, for instance, or bin Laden aiming at the media to elicit maximum hysteria as he tries to goad us into an attack on all of the Muslim world, or possibly a test of how a biological agent would spread in the mail, or other possibilities). If this connection is true, it suggests a particular specific purpose, namely trying to disrupt or even shut down our mail and other communication systems.
Anyway, since the theory has testable conclusions, I thought it would be of interest to get it out there now, rather than after any further mailings are discovered (since at that time, people might say that the theory was tailored to fit the facts). Time will tell if it is true or false.
I conceed that for certain. I still see stronger "ties" to Afghanistan/Iraq possible collusion in this than to any Nimda connection. Then again, who's to say that Nimda doesn't have Middle-east ties as well.
There is just too little even circumstantial evidence to make any other correlation at this time. Although we can always speculate ...
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